On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.



Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.


That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going
down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten.

When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a
greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitals
from becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked.

I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County
with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no
confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues
to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks.


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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:56:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.



Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.


That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going
down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten.

When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a
greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitals
from becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked.

I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County
with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no
confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues
to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks.

I think the "hospital overload" may have been hyped up a bit too. They
brought the hospital ships to NY and LA, they sit largely unoccupied.
The huge field hospitals that were quickly erected seem pretty empty
too. I understand nursing homes and perhaps a few other places with
concentrations of old people can be hot spots but we do seem to be
coping fairly well as soon as you get out of a couple big cities.

There are going to be books written about this and most will be
talking more about irrational panic than the actual illness.
About 3 million people die in the US every year and I doubt the
overall death toll will be that much higher when looked at it
historically. This is not the Spanish Flu. It is more like the Y2K
thing. There was a real problem but it got hyped up far greater than
the actual impact.

On 4/13/20 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:56:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.



Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.


That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going
down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten.

When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a
greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitals
from becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked.

I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County
with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no
confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues
to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks.

I think the "hospital overload" may have been hyped up a bit too. They
brought the hospital ships to NY and LA, they sit largely unoccupied.
The huge field hospitals that were quickly erected seem pretty empty
too. I understand nursing homes and perhaps a few other places with
concentrations of old people can be hot spots but we do seem to be
coping fairly well as soon as you get out of a couple big cities.

There are going to be books written about this and most will be
talking more about irrational panic than the actual illness.
About 3 million people die in the US every year and I doubt the
overall death toll will be that much higher when looked at it
historically. This is not the Spanish Flu. It is more like the Y2K
thing. There was a real problem but it got hyped up far greater than
the actual impact.


Since it is no big deal, I think it would be a hell of a gesture for
your and Mrs. Fretwell to prepare some goody bags and deliver them in
person to nursing homes.

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to successfully associate the substantial harm wreaked by COVID-19 with
Trump and thereby defeat him in the fall election.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 4/13/20 1:18 PM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:56:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7mOQ5DsM&feature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten. When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitalsfrom becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked. I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks. I think the "hospital overload" may have been hyped up a bit too. They brought the hospital ships to NY and LA, they sit largely unoccupied. The huge field hospitals that were quickly erected seem pretty empty too. I understand nursing homes and perhaps a few other places with concentrations of old people can be hot spots but we do seem to be coping fairly well as soon as you get out of a couple big cities. There are going to be books written about this and most will be talking more about irrational panic than the actual illness. About 3 million people die in the US every year and I doubt the overall death toll will be that much higher when looked at it historically. This is not the Spanish Flu. It is more like the Y2K thing. There was a real problem but it got hyped up far greater than the actual impact. Since it is no big deal, I think it would be a hell of a gesture for your and Mrs. Fretwell to prepare some goody bags and deliver them in person to nursing homes.-- For the survival of this country, it is vitally important for all of us to successfully associate the substantial harm wreaked by COVID-19 with Trump and thereby defeat him in the fall election.

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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:20:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/13/20 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:56:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.



Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.


That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going
down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten.

When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a
greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitals
from becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked.

I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County
with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no
confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues
to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks.

I think the "hospital overload" may have been hyped up a bit too. They
brought the hospital ships to NY and LA, they sit largely unoccupied.
The huge field hospitals that were quickly erected seem pretty empty
too. I understand nursing homes and perhaps a few other places with
concentrations of old people can be hot spots but we do seem to be
coping fairly well as soon as you get out of a couple big cities.

There are going to be books written about this and most will be
talking more about irrational panic than the actual illness.
About 3 million people die in the US every year and I doubt the
overall death toll will be that much higher when looked at it
historically. This is not the Spanish Flu. It is more like the Y2K
thing. There was a real problem but it got hyped up far greater than
the actual impact.


Since it is no big deal, I think it would be a hell of a gesture for
your and Mrs. Fretwell to prepare some goody bags and deliver them in
person to nursing homes.

If I thought it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't hesitate to do
it. I am not hugging anyone, I would avoid touching stuff and I would
be using my hand sanitizer but I don't think the chance of infection
is that much more likely than a Carnival Cruise.