On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives
the wearer some clean hands.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives
the wearer some clean hands.

That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it
to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did
after she took it off.

Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of
Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I
think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over
once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck
it and start with a fresh one every time.
I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go
to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would
still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful
getting it off and into the trash.
By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger
than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would
stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T
shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a
tighter fit to my face.
I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks
like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:09:31 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives
the wearer some clean hands.

That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it
to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did
after she took it off.

I'm thinking most of us go somewhere much less than once a day! Besides, the
masks are easy to make with a sewing machine and the patterns from John Hopkins.
My wife has made about a dozen and sent half to my daughter, the physical
therapist.

Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of
Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I
think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over
once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck
it and start with a fresh one every time.
I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go
to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would
still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful
getting it off and into the trash.
By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger
than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would
stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T
shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a
tighter fit to my face.
I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks
like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid.

Better than nothing, I'd say.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:06:31 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:09:31 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives
the wearer some clean hands.

That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it
to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did
after she took it off.

I'm thinking most of us go somewhere much less than once a day! Besides, the
masks are easy to make with a sewing machine and the patterns from John Hopkins.
My wife has made about a dozen and sent half to my daughter, the physical
therapist.

Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of
Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I
think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over
once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck
it and start with a fresh one every time.
I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go
to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would
still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful
getting it off and into the trash.
By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger
than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would
stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T
shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a
tighter fit to my face.
I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks
like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid.

Better than nothing, I'd say.

My bet is if you actually had them doing testing, those cloth masks
are useless (as they said 3 weeks ago before the change of heart) and
a one time use of a 6 layer napkin mask is better. It probably isn't
nearly as good as an N-95 and even that will let at least 5% of the
virus through, assuming COVID is larger than 0.3 microns and I don't
think it is.
Once any of these get wet or even moist, the virus is coming through.
Having worn a real N-95 a lot, working on stuff, they can soak through
pretty fast, just from the condensation of your breath. If I wear one
for much more than an hour, it is dripping. I suppose in a cool dry
place they last longer but it is over 90 here with ~70% R/H right now.