On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.

I was disappointed in my governor. We are still allowing people from
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, ground zero on the east coast to
land at our airports.
This was the perfect opportunity to limit the disease and he choked.,
I guess he wants to try to get that Palm Beach, Broward, Miami vote
next time.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:47:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.

Not sure what you mean by 'evenly distributed'. The 106/1M cases could be evenly
distributed, but you'd still not see but a few in states like Wyoming and
Montana. The cases would be clustered in the high population centers.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Should be fairly evenly distributed age wise. Not referring to
geographical area. Maybe even a few more towards the middle years than the
elderly, as they meet more people.

If close personal contact is the key to transmission that would be the
younger cohorts. They seem to be the ones who are totally ignoring the
social distance thing. I am still having trouble keeping the 20-30
somethings around here from not wanting to shake my hand and getting
too close. I had some young woman jamming me up at Publix while I was
in line. I pushed my cart back towards her and held it there. I am
still not sure she understood.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.



And how do you know this? Now a medical expert?


I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been
restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and
hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of
undiagnosed cases.

I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not
getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get
infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like
we know we have it.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.



And how do you know this? Now a medical expert?


I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been
restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and
hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of
undiagnosed cases.

I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not
getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get
infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like
we know we have it.

It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told
in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep
whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population.

It's an 'anti-Trump' thing.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.



And how do you know this? Now a medical expert?


I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been
restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and
hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of
undiagnosed cases.

I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not
getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get
infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like
we know we have it.

It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told
in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep
whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population.

It's an 'anti-Trump' thing.

I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just
maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just
assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the
treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a
certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if
you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage
of the population, to see who is left at risk.
It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that
is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful
because they never had it.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:10:03 -0400, wrote:

I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just
maintaining the stats.

===

I think probably the most important reason is to catch people with
mild or no symptoms early, and get them into quarantine before they
infect a lot of others. That would be especially valuable for people
like health care workers or first responders who have to deal with the
public routinely.

It's really unfortunate to see these issues get politcized as pro
Trump or anti Trump. It detracts from the very real problems that
have to be dealt with and solved.

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On 3/24/2020 10:56 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.

I was disappointed in my governor. We are still allowing people from
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, ground zero on the east coast to
land at our airports.
This was the perfect opportunity to limit the disease and he choked.,
I guess he wants to try to get that Palm Beach, Broward, Miami vote
next time.

Me too. writing laws is the easy part. enforcing them is a different
story. After seeing the lack of enforcement activity and the
indifference and arrogance of the incoming NY passengers, I think
DeSantis needs to force compliance or deny entry into our state.

--
Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no
longer exists, if it ever did at all.

On 3/25/2020 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.



And how do you know this? Now a medical expert?


I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been
restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and
hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of
undiagnosed cases.

I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not
getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get
infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like
we know we have it.

It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told
in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep
whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population.

It's an 'anti-Trump' thing.

I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just
maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just
assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the
treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a
certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if
you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage
of the population, to see who is left at risk.
It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that
is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful
because they never had it.



There is no evidence yet that having been infected with this virus
means you are immune to it in the future.



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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2020 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to
be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
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This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.



And how do you know this? Now a medical expert?


I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been
restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and
hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of
undiagnosed cases.

I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not
getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get
infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like
we know we have it.

It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told
in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep
whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population.

It's an 'anti-Trump' thing.

I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just
maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just
assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the
treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a
certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if
you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage
of the population, to see who is left at risk.
It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that
is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful
because they never had it.



There is no evidence yet that having been infected with this virus
means you are immune to it in the future.




There are precedents. With SARS, MERS and some Monkey testing.

On 3/25/2020 12:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2020 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical
systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to
be
continuing.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries

Country Cases/1M Pop

USA 106
Sweden 191
Denmark 250
France 252
Switzerland 951
Netherlands 245
Germany 313

They did have a head start and they do have a higher population
density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing.
Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live
their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than
that.

I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a
density in our population centers as those countries do.

Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the
density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you
turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway
Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries

I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had
nothing to do with population density. It had to do with
one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established
itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed
in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the
reason for their higher death rate per million population.

I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several
countries including those that Harry routinely
likes to compare their superior health care systems to
that of the USA.

Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the
USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it
was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe.

Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing
home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing
home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the
first place.


Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem
correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed.
Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild,
so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked.



You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.



And how do you know this? Now a medical expert?


I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been
restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and
hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of
undiagnosed cases.

I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not
getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get
infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like
we know we have it.

It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told
in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep
whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population.

It's an 'anti-Trump' thing.

I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just
maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just
assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the
treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a
certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if
you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage
of the population, to see who is left at risk.
It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that
is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful
because they never had it.



There is no evidence yet that having been infected with this virus
means you are immune to it in the future.




There are precedents. With SARS, MERS and some Monkey testing.



A coronavirus is of the same general family that causes the
common cold. This novel covid-19 version is of the same family.

You don't become immune to getting a cold just because you've
had one in the past.

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