On 3/6/2020 9:59 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:53:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:


...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize.



Something I've noticed:

Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former
contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support
is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the
election.

They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good
POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump.

Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy.
If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be
very important.
——


Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ?


Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support
and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control
initiative.

"I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not
the last you’ve seen of him,� Biden said Monday night during a campaign
stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me.
You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.�

Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for
government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles.
In one of the early primary debates he said,

"Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."

Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also.

Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it
is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed
pumps and lever actions (The Australia model)

"Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read
what they really want to do.

It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's.

I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box
magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the
point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho.
I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is
on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large
magazine".

Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22.

Too much thinking on my part.

Mini-14's are legal in MA:

Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons?
Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons.
For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121:

Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here.
Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations;
Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle;
Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon;

https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?-
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The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger
Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal".
It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification
says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not.

I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but
am not sure.

Apparently that hasn't yet made the link I put above.

As of December, last year, Bud's Gun Shop still thinks they're legal. Note page 2:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/feeds/st...strictions.pdf
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It's all up in the air now because the AG's office apparently doesn't
have a clue what they are talking about.

From GOAL (Gun Owners Action League):


The Gun Owners’ Action League, which has been organizing rallies in
protest of Healey’s (MA AG ) actions in the past several weeks, holds
the new information only muddies the waters even more.

“Upon viewing the page there are many new questions, which make this
untenable situation increasingly murky,� reads a statement from the group.

GOAL points out that Healey states rifles in .22 caliber are acceptable
but there is no clarification as to if the statement includes both
rimfire and centerfire chamberings.

They are further puzzled by the exclusion of the “Ruger Mini 14 or
substantially-similar model weapon� saying that, “virtually every
semi-automatic magazine fed rifle is substantially similar to the Mini 14.�

Indeed, the Mini-14 uses a rotating bolt which was very similar to that
of the M1 Garand — that is not considered an assault rifle by Healey’s
office — while the same type is also used on the Springfield M1A, which is.

“This is disturbing considering that Healey has threatened gun owners
not in compliance with a ten-year felony charge for transferring items
that are legal to transfer according to Mass General Law,� notes GOAL.

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 10:10:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2020 9:59 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:53:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:


...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize.



Something I've noticed:

Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former
contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support
is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the
election.

They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good
POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump.

Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy.
If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be
very important.
——


Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ?


Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support
and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control
initiative.

"I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not
the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign
stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me.
You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”

Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for
government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles.
In one of the early primary debates he said,

"Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."

Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also.

Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it
is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed
pumps and lever actions (The Australia model)

"Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read
what they really want to do.

It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's.

I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box
magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the
point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho.
I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is
on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large
magazine".

Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22.

Too much thinking on my part.

Mini-14's are legal in MA:

Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons?
Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons.
For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121:

Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here.
Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations;
Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle;
Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon;

https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?-
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger
Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal".
It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification
says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not.

I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but
am not sure.

Apparently that hasn't yet made the link I put above.

As of December, last year, Bud's Gun Shop still thinks they're legal. Note page 2:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/feeds/st...strictions.pdf
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's all up in the air now because the AG's office apparently doesn't
have a clue what they are talking about.

From GOAL (Gun Owners Action League):


The Gun Owners’ Action League, which has been organizing rallies in
protest of Healey’s (MA AG ) actions in the past several weeks, holds
the new information only muddies the waters even more.

“Upon viewing the page there are many new questions, which make this
untenable situation increasingly murky,” reads a statement from the group.

GOAL points out that Healey states rifles in .22 caliber are acceptable
but there is no clarification as to if the statement includes both
rimfire and centerfire chamberings.

They are further puzzled by the exclusion of the “Ruger Mini 14 or
substantially-similar model weapon” saying that, “virtually every
semi-automatic magazine fed rifle is substantially similar to the Mini 14.”

Indeed, the Mini-14 uses a rotating bolt which was very similar to that
of the M1 Garand — that is not considered an assault rifle by Healey’s
office — while the same type is also used on the Springfield M1A, which is.

“This is disturbing considering that Healey has threatened gun owners
not in compliance with a ten-year felony charge for transferring items
that are legal to transfer according to Mass General Law,” notes GOAL.

Lotta stupidity floating around up there.
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On 3/6/2020 10:32 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 10:10:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2020 9:59 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:53:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:


...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize.



Something I've noticed:

Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former
contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support
is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the
election.

They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good
POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump.

Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy.
If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be
very important.
——


Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ?


Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support
and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control
initiative.

"I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not
the last you’ve seen of him,� Biden said Monday night during a campaign
stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me.
You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.�

Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for
government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles.
In one of the early primary debates he said,

"Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."

Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also.

Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it
is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed
pumps and lever actions (The Australia model)

"Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read
what they really want to do.

It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's.

I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box
magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the
point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho.
I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is
on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large
magazine".

Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22.

Too much thinking on my part.

Mini-14's are legal in MA:

Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons?
Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons.
For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121:

Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here.
Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations;
Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle;
Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon;

https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?-
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger
Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal".
It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification
says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not.

I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but
am not sure.

Apparently that hasn't yet made the link I put above.

As of December, last year, Bud's Gun Shop still thinks they're legal. Note page 2:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/feeds/st...strictions.pdf
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's all up in the air now because the AG's office apparently doesn't
have a clue what they are talking about.

From GOAL (Gun Owners Action League):


The Gun Owners’ Action League, which has been organizing rallies in
protest of Healey’s (MA AG ) actions in the past several weeks, holds
the new information only muddies the waters even more.

“Upon viewing the page there are many new questions, which make this
untenable situation increasingly murky,� reads a statement from the group.

GOAL points out that Healey states rifles in .22 caliber are acceptable
but there is no clarification as to if the statement includes both
rimfire and centerfire chamberings.

They are further puzzled by the exclusion of the “Ruger Mini 14 or
substantially-similar model weapon� saying that, “virtually every
semi-automatic magazine fed rifle is substantially similar to the Mini 14.�

Indeed, the Mini-14 uses a rotating bolt which was very similar to that
of the M1 Garand — that is not considered an assault rifle by Healey’s
office — while the same type is also used on the Springfield M1A, which is.

“This is disturbing considering that Healey has threatened gun owners
not in compliance with a ten-year felony charge for transferring items
that are legal to transfer according to Mass General Law,� notes GOAL.

Lotta stupidity floating around up there.
--

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That's only half of it. All firearms sold in MA also have to pass a
rigorous "safety" test done by another MA agency. Unless it has changed,
every manufacturer has to submit five (5) guns of each model they want
to sell in MA and they are subjected to various tests, some destructive.

But even if the gun model passes all the
safety tests and is ok'd by the testing agency, the AG can still ban
it if it looks too much like an assault rifle or, in the case of
a handgun, the AG just doesn't like it. For these reasons many
manufacturers have told MA to take a hike and don't even bother
submitting their guns for testing or to try to sell here.

Good thing I am not a gun nut. I still have a shotgun that has never
been fired and four handguns. I have another handgun in my safe
that I am holding for someone who was not supposed to have a gun
because he was undergoing treatment for mental health issues.

I still have an active LTC, but rarely
take a gun with me if I go out anywhere.

Where we live is also very unlikely to have problems with home
break-ins, so "home defense" isn't a big reason to have a gun.

When I first got a LTC years ago I got caught up in the interest,
bought several different types of rifles and handguns, joined a
shooting range and went fairly often. But after a while the interest
in shooting holes in paper targets diminished and I lost interest.

I'll probably keep what I have and renew the LTC every six years as
required (over 70 years old, it's free) but I really don't have a
lot of interest in guns.

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