....Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of
throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to
shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised
U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat,
about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of
money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at
risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president
is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more
than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no
closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their
voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy
and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval
Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have
consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.

On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of
throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to
shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised
U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat,
about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of
money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at
risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president
is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more
than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no
closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their
voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy
and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval
Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have
consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.




Nancy Pelosi shut him down? Ha ha!

It's entertaining to watch how the left interprets such things. Pelosi
and Schumer didn't "shut Trump down". Just the opposite. Trump exposed
both of them as being the secretive, "we know better than anyone"
Democrats who didn't want the press and public to know what was being
discussed. Very typical. Reminds one of "you have to pass it to see
what's in it".

Trump isn't typical. He's a "in your face New Yorker" and it's
refreshing to see him make the secretive lefties squirm a bit.

Pelosi and Schumer agree that better border control is necessary
yet when the lights on the cameras are turned off they both support
sanctuary cities in their home states. They also both voted for
building a wall previously but have changed their tune when Trump
was elected instead of their favorite, Hillary.

If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer) that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course. It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are. Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.

On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president
of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be
proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his
long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows
through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government
would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay
just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president
is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more
than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no
closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised
their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought
over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall.

On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him
out and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president
of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be
proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his
long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows
through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government
would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without
pay just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the
president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will
offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks
brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed
fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly
as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their
differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session
to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall.


The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one
tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget. Big f'in deal. The Dems
aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border
security. They voted *for* it before. The issue isn't "want" or
"money". The issue is the opposition to anything Trump.

Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their
party and power before the best interests of the people they are
supposed to be representing.

All of this is nothing but political horse****.

On 12/12/18 8:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him
out and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president
of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be
proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his
long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows
through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government
would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without
pay just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the
president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will
offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks
brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed
fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly
as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their
differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session
to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would
pay for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall.


The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one
tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget.Â* Big f'in deal.Â* The Dems
aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border
security.Â* They voted *for* it before.Â* The issue isn't "want" or
"money".Â* The issue is the opposition to anything Trump.

Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their
party and power before the best interests of the people they are
supposed to be representing.

All of this is nothing but political horse****.




"I'm going to be the one to shut it down," Donald Trump on the prospect
of shutting down the federal government. He *owns* it if it happens. Too
funny.

As for Trump's Folly, aka Trump's Wall, Trump promised at least 100
times that "Mexico" would pay for it. Why isn't that happening?

Why is the "new" NAFTA deal at least 90% the same as the old NAFTA deal?

Where is Trump's "wonderful" replacement for the Affordable Care Act?

Oh, and North Korea is still developing WMD's, the Iranians ain't
dummies, either, and of course the Russians are still running rampant
wherever they want, and China and other countries will be ****ing us
over royally in trade wars.

But, of course, "everyone" wants to be Trump's new chief of staff. Well,
everyone except someone of quality.

Gosh...and Mueller is still cooking stew and hasn't opened the pot.

On 12/12/2018 8:18 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 8:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him
out and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate
Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera
Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that
underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a
fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the
president of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump
declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the
money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If
the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of
the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21,
putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting
furloughed without pay just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the
president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will
offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks
brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed
fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly
as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their
differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session
to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would
pay for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the
problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a
government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for
Trump's wall.


The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one
tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget.Â* Big f'in deal.Â* The Dems
aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border
security.Â* They voted *for* it before.Â* The issue isn't "want" or
"money".Â* The issue is the opposition to anything Trump.

Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their
party and power before the best interests of the people they are
supposed to be representing.

All of this is nothing but political horse****.




"I'm going to be the one to shut it down," Donald Trump on the prospect
of shutting down the federal government. He *owns* it if it happens. Too
funny.

As for Trump's Folly, aka Trump's Wall, Trump promised at least 100
times that "Mexico" would pay for it. Why isn't that happening?

Why is the "new" NAFTA deal at least 90% the same as the old NAFTA deal?

Where is Trump's "wonderful" replacement for the Affordable Care Act?

Oh, and North Korea is still developing WMD's, the Iranians ain't
dummies, either, and of course the Russians are still running rampant
wherever they want, and China and other countries will be ****ing us
over royally in trade wars.

But, of course, "everyone" wants to be Trump's new chief of staff. Well,
everyone except someone of quality.

Gosh...and Mueller is still cooking stew and hasn't opened the pot.


I don't expect you to understand. Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president
of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be
proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his
long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows
through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government
would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay
just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president
is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more
than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no
closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised
their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought
over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall.

I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do
to strengthen our borders.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president
of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be
proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his
long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows
through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government
would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay
just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president
is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more
than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no
closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised
their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought
over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.”

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall.

I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do
to strengthen our borders.

I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority
Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over
Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching
deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president
of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump declaring he’d be
proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his
long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows
through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government
would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay
just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president
is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more
than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no
closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised
their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought
over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the
Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay
for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose *anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall.

I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do
to strengthen our borders.

I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit.

I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not
stopping them you are just wasting time and money.
I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally
if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on
people who come in illegally.
The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas
because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an
American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick
tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here
from Mexico to do it.

“Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval
Office. ...�


They’re evidently used to closed door and back room deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces.. nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open.