On 12/12/18 8:24 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote:
“Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval
Office. ...�


They’re evidently used to closed door and back roomÂ* deals and can’t
handle the wide open spaces..Â* nothing wrong with having the
discussion out in the open.


It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself,
over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall?


In the grander scheme of things Mexico is already beginning to absorb
at least some of the cost of a wall.Â* They are accepting more and more
illegals within their country who would otherwise be in the USA getting
financial aid and benefits at taxpayer's expense.Â* They are also
hardening their own borders to reduce the number of people traveling
across Mexico and sneaking into the USA.

It's important to remember that something like 65 percent (or more)
of these people don't qualify for asylum status but they must
be cared for, fed and housed while that determination process is made.

It's out of control and $5 billion is a very small price to pay
to reduce those who illegally enter and then turn themselves in
to be cared for only to be found to be not eligible for asylum status.
Forget what Pelosi, Schumer and other lefty politicians say and listen
to the border control agents who deal with this issue on a daily basis
and *all* agree that walls work.

By reducing that financial burden and on ICE operations, those who
enter legally at points of entry (which our laws require) are better
positioned to receive asylum status.



So, when is Mexico going to pay for Trump's Wall?

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 8:18 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 8:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him
out and shutting him down.

from the WashPost:

Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate
Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera
Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that
underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a
fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown.

The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the
president of throwing a “temper tantrum,� ended with Trump
declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the
money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If
the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of
the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21,
putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of
getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas.

The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the
president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will
offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks
brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed
fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another
repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare
their differences for all to see.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the
session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the
discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious
encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the
media out of the Oval Office.

As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections
have consequences, Mr. President.�

heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would
pay for" his wall. Too funny.





If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them
(but especially Schumer)Â* that if they/he think they have a better
solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the
problem.
They won't of course.Â* It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are.Â* Their only objective is to oppose
*anything*
Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of
the
country.



No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a
government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for
Trump's wall.


The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents
one tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget.Â* Big f'in deal.Â* The Dems
aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border
security.Â* They voted *for* it before.Â* The issue isn't "want" or
"money".Â* The issue is the opposition to anything Trump.

Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their
party and power before the best interests of the people they are
supposed to be representing.

All of this is nothing but political horse****.




"I'm going to be the one to shut it down," Donald Trump on the
prospect of shutting down the federal government. He *owns* it if it
happens. Too funny.

As for Trump's Folly, aka Trump's Wall, Trump promised at least 100
times that "Mexico" would pay for it. Why isn't that happening?

Why is the "new" NAFTA deal at least 90% the same as the old NAFTA deal?

Where is Trump's "wonderful" replacement for the Affordable Care Act?

Oh, and North Korea is still developing WMD's, the Iranians ain't
dummies, either, and of course the Russians are still running rampant
wherever they want, and China and other countries will be ****ing us
over royally in trade wars.

But, of course, "everyone" wants to be Trump's new chief of staff.
Well, everyone except someone of quality.

Gosh...and Mueller is still cooking stew and hasn't opened the pot.


I don't expect you to understand.Â* Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 8:24:16 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote:
“Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions
off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to
continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval
Office. ...�


They’re evidently used to closed door and back roomÂ* deals and can’t
handle the wide open spaces..Â* nothing wrong with having the
discussion out in the open.


It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself,
over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall?


In the grander scheme of things Mexico is already beginning to absorb
at least some of the cost of a wall. They are accepting more and more
illegals within their country who would otherwise be in the USA getting
financial aid and benefits at taxpayer's expense. They are also
hardening their own borders to reduce the number of people traveling
across Mexico and sneaking into the USA.

It's important to remember that something like 65 percent (or more)
of these people don't qualify for asylum status but they must
be cared for, fed and housed while that determination process is made.

It's out of control and $5 billion is a very small price to pay
to reduce those who illegally enter and then turn themselves in
to be cared for only to be found to be not eligible for asylum status.
Forget what Pelosi, Schumer and other lefty politicians say and listen
to the border control agents who deal with this issue on a daily basis
and *all* agree that walls work.

Studies have shown that the wall would cost but a fraction of what illegal immigrants cost the US.

In article ,
says...

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.


Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She
didn't want the American people to see our President be a
fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her
advice.

On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.


Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She
didn't want the American people to see our President be a
fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her
advice.



Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most...

On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.


Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera.* She
didn't want the American people to see our President be a
fool by her and Schumer.* But the fool didn't take her
advice.


Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most...


He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously
wanted to go "secret".

On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.


Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera.* She
didn't want the American people to see our President be a
fool by her and Schumer.* But the fool didn't take her
advice.


Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most...


He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously
wanted to go "secret".




ha ha ha ha you are a funny guy.

On 12/12/18 9:58 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand. Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously wanted to go "secret". ha ha ha ha you are a funny guy.

What's so funny?


Your buddy thinks Trump is open and transparent. That's hilarious.

8:49 AMKeyser Soze
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On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I don't expect you to understand. Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.


Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She
didn't want the American people to see our President be a
fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her
advice.


Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most...


He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously
wanted to go "secret".




ha ha ha ha you are a funny guy.

..........


How’s that?

On 12/12/2018 9:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and
carry on.





Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that.


Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera.* She
didn't want the American people to see our President be a
fool by her and Schumer.* But the fool didn't take her
advice.


Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most...


He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously
wanted to go "secret".




ha ha ha ha** you are a funny guy.


How do you explain two party hypocrites who previously voted *for* the
wall, demanded a path to citizenship for 800,000 undocumented immigrants
but turned down Trump's offer of extending it to almost 1,800,000 in
exchange for some wall funding?

It's not about a measly $5B for a wall that is 1/10th of 1% of the
federal budget.

It's *all* about resisting anything Trump, even if it's not in the
best overall interests of the country.