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Interesting article. Looks promising.

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Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


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It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


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It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


That is the way I see it. We are damned good at an uncontrolled fusion
reaction tho.
We understand how to start them up. We just don't know how to do it in
a bottle. The problems make disposing of some spent fuel rods seem
trivial compared to fusion without blowing up the city if the plasma
gets away from you.
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On 11/16/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


The Omega project at the Laboratory for Laser Energetics and the NIF
project at Lawrence Livermore National Labs are both pursuing
nuclear fusion among other things. Huge laser bays focusing multiple,
high powered laser beams onto a tiny pellet of deuterium simultaneously
and only for a few microseconds. In the case of the Omega system the
power delivered on the pellet can be as high as 60 terawatts. The
larger NIF laser can deliver 500 terawatts. The instantaneous
temperature of the plasma created can be many times the temperature of
the sun but it still requires more energy "in" than it produces "out".
The NIF laser has achieved about one third the power required for a
laser induced nuclear fusion reaction.

I am certainly not one to judge but based on my limited knowledge of
this research, we are still a long, long ways to having viable nuclear
fusion reactors for home or local power generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility


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On 11/17/18 2:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/16/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


The Omega project at the Laboratory for Laser Energetics and the NIF
project at Lawrence Livermore National Labs are both pursuing
nuclear fusion among other things.Â* Huge laser bays focusing multiple,
high powered laser beams onto a tiny pellet of deuterium simultaneously
and only for a few microseconds. In the case of the Omega system the
power delivered on the pellet can be as high as 60 terawatts.Â* The
larger NIF laser can deliver 500 terawatts.Â* The instantaneous
temperature of the plasma created can be many times the temperature of
the sun but it still requires more energy "in" than it produces "out".
The NIF laser has achieved about one third the power required for a
laser induced nuclear fusion reaction.

I am certainly not one to judge but based on my limited knowledge of
this research, we are still a long, long ways to having viable nuclear
fusion reactors for home or local power generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility




Gosh, so I probably won't be able to buy a new toyota with a nuclear
fusion engine in my lifetime? Darn!



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On 11/17/2018 9:05 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/17/18 2:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/16/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


The Omega project at the Laboratory for Laser Energetics and the NIF
project at Lawrence Livermore National Labs are both pursuing
nuclear fusion among other things.Â* Huge laser bays focusing multiple,
high powered laser beams onto a tiny pellet of deuterium simultaneously
and only for a few microseconds. In the case of the Omega system the
power delivered on the pellet can be as high as 60 terawatts.Â* The
larger NIF laser can deliver 500 terawatts.Â* The instantaneous
temperature of the plasma created can be many times the temperature of
the sun but it still requires more energy "in" than it produces "out".
The NIF laser has achieved about one third the power required for a
laser induced nuclear fusion reaction.

I am certainly not one to judge but based on my limited knowledge of
this research, we are still a long, long ways to having viable nuclear
fusion reactors for home or local power generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility




Gosh, so I probably won't be able to buy a new toyota with a nuclear
fusion engine in my lifetime? Darn!



Upon re-reading the Wiki article on the NIF program it appears that
they gave up trying to create laser induced nuclear fusion. Just
wasn't feasible and after years of attempts they couldn't come close.

Doesn't mean another method may come along but it still requires an
enormous amount of energy.

So, the 190 beam NIF laser is now used for it's intended use, the
development and testing of nuclear weapons under conditions that do not
violate the nuclear arms testing treaty.

Should make your day. :-)


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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/17/2018 9:05 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/17/18 2:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/16/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


The Omega project at the Laboratory for Laser Energetics and the NIF
project at Lawrence Livermore National Labs are both pursuing
nuclear fusion among other things.Â* Huge laser bays focusing multiple,
high powered laser beams onto a tiny pellet of deuterium simultaneously
and only for a few microseconds. In the case of the Omega system the
power delivered on the pellet can be as high as 60 terawatts.Â* The
larger NIF laser can deliver 500 terawatts.Â* The instantaneous
temperature of the plasma created can be many times the temperature of
the sun but it still requires more energy "in" than it produces "out".
The NIF laser has achieved about one third the power required for a
laser induced nuclear fusion reaction.

I am certainly not one to judge but based on my limited knowledge of
this research, we are still a long, long ways to having viable nuclear
fusion reactors for home or local power generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility




Gosh, so I probably won't be able to buy a new toyota with a nuclear
fusion engine in my lifetime? Darn!



Upon re-reading the Wiki article on the NIF program it appears that
they gave up trying to create laser induced nuclear fusion. Just
wasn't feasible and after years of attempts they couldn't come close.

Doesn't mean another method may come along but it still requires an
enormous amount of energy.

So, the 190 beam NIF laser is now used for it's intended use, the
development and testing of nuclear weapons under conditions that do not
violate the nuclear arms testing treaty.

Should make your day. :-)




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On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 23:57:37 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


That is the way I see it. We are damned good at an uncontrolled fusion
reaction tho.
We understand how to start them up. We just don't know how to do it in
a bottle. The problems make disposing of some spent fuel rods seem
trivial compared to fusion without blowing up the city if the plasma
gets away from you.


The plasma getting away, just seems to make the fire go out. I live the
next city over from the Lawrence Livermore Labs and they have been studying
fusion for a long time. They know very well how to make uncontainable
fusion. But getting a positive energy result out of the reactor is the
problem. They have got out more energy than they put in, but not enough to
pay for the process.
https://www.llnl.gov/news/nif-achiev...e-fusion-yield
Luddite can go back in to the business of making thin film energy capsules.

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 01:47:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 23:57:37 -0500,

wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


That is the way I see it. We are damned good at an uncontrolled fusion
reaction tho.
We understand how to start them up. We just don't know how to do it in
a bottle. The problems make disposing of some spent fuel rods seem
trivial compared to fusion without blowing up the city if the plasma
gets away from you.


===

There's always a risk with things that are not well understood, but
everything we know at present says that the plasma will die if it is
not magnetically confined.

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:03:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/17/2018 9:05 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/17/18 2:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/16/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:14:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Interesting article. Looks promising.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656


===

It does sound promising but workable fusion has been anywhere from 5
to 30 years away for a long time.


The Omega project at the Laboratory for Laser Energetics and the NIF
project at Lawrence Livermore National Labs are both pursuing
nuclear fusion among other things.Â* Huge laser bays focusing multiple,
high powered laser beams onto a tiny pellet of deuterium simultaneously
and only for a few microseconds. In the case of the Omega system the
power delivered on the pellet can be as high as 60 terawatts.Â* The
larger NIF laser can deliver 500 terawatts.Â* The instantaneous
temperature of the plasma created can be many times the temperature of
the sun but it still requires more energy "in" than it produces "out".
The NIF laser has achieved about one third the power required for a
laser induced nuclear fusion reaction.

I am certainly not one to judge but based on my limited knowledge of
this research, we are still a long, long ways to having viable nuclear
fusion reactors for home or local power generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility




Gosh, so I probably won't be able to buy a new toyota with a nuclear
fusion engine in my lifetime? Darn!



Upon re-reading the Wiki article on the NIF program it appears that
they gave up trying to create laser induced nuclear fusion. Just
wasn't feasible and after years of attempts they couldn't come close.

Doesn't mean another method may come along but it still requires an
enormous amount of energy.

So, the 190 beam NIF laser is now used for it's intended use, the
development and testing of nuclear weapons under conditions that do not
violate the nuclear arms testing treaty.

Should make your day. :-)




I’ve got my eye on a slightly used deLorean.


As soon as they get that flux capacitor perfected you will have
something.
In the mean time, look in the glove compartment, your rebate may be in
there.
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