On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists�? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.

On 10/10/18 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists�? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.



More of a scientist than you are, eh?

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:24:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists�? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.



More of a scientist than you are, eh?

I doubt that quack, Dr Oz, has spent more time reading about this than
I have but he is on the list of "scientists".
You can't even flaunt your education here because when you went to
college CO2 was "that harmless gas in soda pop" or so the ads said
when the "scientists" were selling us catalytic converters.
In fact the common theme throughout all of these crusades has been
"oil is evil". They just can't make up their mind why.
I assume some day they will find a real replacement for oil and gas
but so far, they aren't even close. For the most part they are just
moving the "tail pipe" far enough down the road that you can't see it
from their house.
Nuclear is probably the ultimate solution for large scale carbon free
energy production but the scare mongers have made it politically
unavailable.
I know we hear about accidents but far more people are killed or
injured in wind farm accidents in one year than in the whole history
of nuclear power plant operation.

http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/graph.jpg

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:03:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:24:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists”? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.



More of a scientist than you are, eh?

I doubt that quack, Dr Oz, has spent more time reading about this than
I have but he is on the list of "scientists".
You can't even flaunt your education here because when you went to
college CO2 was "that harmless gas in soda pop" or so the ads said
when the "scientists" were selling us catalytic converters.
In fact the common theme throughout all of these crusades has been
"oil is evil". They just can't make up their mind why.
I assume some day they will find a real replacement for oil and gas
but so far, they aren't even close. For the most part they are just
moving the "tail pipe" far enough down the road that you can't see it
from their house.
Nuclear is probably the ultimate solution for large scale carbon free
energy production but the scare mongers have made it politically
unavailable.
I know we hear about accidents but far more people are killed or
injured in wind farm accidents in one year than in the whole history
of nuclear power plant operation.

http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/graph.jpg

That's a very good point. Hadn't realized that at all.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:12:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:03:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:24:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists�? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.



More of a scientist than you are, eh?

I doubt that quack, Dr Oz, has spent more time reading about this than
I have but he is on the list of "scientists".
You can't even flaunt your education here because when you went to
college CO2 was "that harmless gas in soda pop" or so the ads said
when the "scientists" were selling us catalytic converters.
In fact the common theme throughout all of these crusades has been
"oil is evil". They just can't make up their mind why.
I assume some day they will find a real replacement for oil and gas
but so far, they aren't even close. For the most part they are just
moving the "tail pipe" far enough down the road that you can't see it
from their house.
Nuclear is probably the ultimate solution for large scale carbon free
energy production but the scare mongers have made it politically
unavailable.
I know we hear about accidents but far more people are killed or
injured in wind farm accidents in one year than in the whole history
of nuclear power plant operation.

http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/graph.jpg

That's a very good point. Hadn't realized that at all.

Wind is far from the benign thing people want you to believe. Audubon
hates them. (too many birds turned into burger)
There is also a big NIMBY problem. You just have to look at all of
those rich democrats in Massachusetts who blocked "Cape Wind" to see
that.

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:12:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:03:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:24:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists�? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.



More of a scientist than you are, eh?

I doubt that quack, Dr Oz, has spent more time reading about this than
I have but he is on the list of "scientists".
You can't even flaunt your education here because when you went to
college CO2 was "that harmless gas in soda pop" or so the ads said
when the "scientists" were selling us catalytic converters.
In fact the common theme throughout all of these crusades has been
"oil is evil". They just can't make up their mind why.
I assume some day they will find a real replacement for oil and gas
but so far, they aren't even close. For the most part they are just
moving the "tail pipe" far enough down the road that you can't see it
from their house.
Nuclear is probably the ultimate solution for large scale carbon free
energy production but the scare mongers have made it politically
unavailable.
I know we hear about accidents but far more people are killed or
injured in wind farm accidents in one year than in the whole history
of nuclear power plant operation.

http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/graph.jpg

That's a very good point. Hadn't realized that at all.

Wind is far from the benign thing people want you to believe. Audubon
hates them. (too many birds turned into burger)
There is also a big NIMBY problem. You just have to look at all of
those rich democrats in Massachusetts who blocked "Cape Wind" to see
that.


All the nature people were upset about the Altamont wind farms. To many
raptors being minced. Since the wind farms are pretty much open land, the
rodents are happy, and the raptors who feed on them hunt by the windmills.
Most of the old turbines have been replaced with the huge 300’ diameter
blade units. Turn slower, so less slicing and dicing.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:09:39 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:12:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:03:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:24:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/10/18 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:34:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/10/18 5:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

...being slammed by a result of global warming, a concept denied by the
ignorant, intellectually lazy, coal baron wannabe in the White House.

Yeah, we never had hurricanes before 1/20/2017, That *******!


No surprise you and your fellow Trumpsters are ignoring what the
climate scientists are saying. Oh, wait...because of your high
school diploma, coast guard training, career as an IBM whatever you
did, and local building inspector, you know more than they do. I get
it. And, of course, there is your undeniable expertise on mental
illnesses.


I don't think anyone questions climate change. It has changed many,
many times since the birth of planet Earth.

The question is how much have we contributed to the current cycle of
global warming. The bigger question is what makes some think we can do
anything about it.



The overwhelming majority of scientists who know about climate change
say we can slow down global warming, if not reverse it. Slowing it down
is important.


Where is it written?

What kind of “Scientists”? Hard science or liberal Arts degrees?

That is true, when they show us a list of the "scientists" who sign
these things, very few are climatologists.



More of a scientist than you are, eh?

I doubt that quack, Dr Oz, has spent more time reading about this than
I have but he is on the list of "scientists".
You can't even flaunt your education here because when you went to
college CO2 was "that harmless gas in soda pop" or so the ads said
when the "scientists" were selling us catalytic converters.
In fact the common theme throughout all of these crusades has been
"oil is evil". They just can't make up their mind why.
I assume some day they will find a real replacement for oil and gas
but so far, they aren't even close. For the most part they are just
moving the "tail pipe" far enough down the road that you can't see it
from their house.
Nuclear is probably the ultimate solution for large scale carbon free
energy production but the scare mongers have made it politically
unavailable.
I know we hear about accidents but far more people are killed or
injured in wind farm accidents in one year than in the whole history
of nuclear power plant operation.

http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/graph.jpg

That's a very good point. Hadn't realized that at all.

Wind is far from the benign thing people want you to believe. Audubon
hates them. (too many birds turned into burger)
There is also a big NIMBY problem. You just have to look at all of
those rich democrats in Massachusetts who blocked "Cape Wind" to see
that.


All the nature people were upset about the Altamont wind farms. To many
raptors being minced. Since the wind farms are pretty much open land, the
rodents are happy, and the raptors who feed on them hunt by the windmills.
Most of the old turbines have been replaced with the huge 300’ diameter
blade units. Turn slower, so less slicing and dicing.

===

Denmark, Sweden and Norway are way ahead of us in the use of wind
power and you hear no griping about it. They seem rather proud of it
actually. The wind farms are quite picturesque in a way, not
objectionable at all in my mind. And they certainly have much less
enviromental impact than hydropower