On 10/9/18 9:46 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last
evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his
liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's
apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight
to regain some control and power in Congress. Everything you say is
based on that accusation. Trump certainly is different and has his
issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval
Office" is arguable at the least and just political bull****. My
judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS.



Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial
system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily
apply to a court trial. In other words, anyone accused starts out as
being innocent. Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove
Kavanaugh's guilt. Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the
allegations.

Trump's statement was odd but correct. It was really intended for
Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a
punch for the Democrats.



If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny.





Fat Harry is harboring repressed guilt over his not reporting the
rape he participated in when he was eleven.


Unlike you, all of my sexual experiences have been with women. I suppose
one of the reasons why you joined the naveeee was because you thought
the guys looked hot in their skivvies...

On 10/9/2018 9:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Â* Trump certainly is different and has his
issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the
Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My
judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS.


Most of his accomplishments are negatives, but your rationale for
judging him is no different than judging Mussolini as a great leader
because he allegedly made the trains run on time. In other words, if
Trump accomplishes a couple of things on your bucket list or claims
credit for doing so, it doesn't matter to you if he is a liar, a sexual
predator, a rabble-rouser, a racist, et cetera.


I'll agree he's guilty of being a rabble-rouser.

So are you.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:51:22 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 9:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Â* Trump certainly is different and has his
issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the
Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My
judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS.


Most of his accomplishments are negatives, but your rationale for
judging him is no different than judging Mussolini as a great leader
because he allegedly made the trains run on time. In other words, if
Trump accomplishes a couple of things on your bucket list or claims
credit for doing so, it doesn't matter to you if he is a liar, a sexual
predator, a rabble-rouser, a racist, et cetera.


I'll agree he's guilty of being a rabble-rouser.

So are you.

They do share a lot of traits. Unfortunately for harry, being successful isn't one of them.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.
When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal
"panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it?
We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high
profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the
predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like
Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a
republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but
that only demonstrates your prejudice.

On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.
When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal
"panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it?
We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high
profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the
predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like
Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a
republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but
that only demonstrates your prejudice.


What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into
Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing
substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of
Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an
investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's
misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.
When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal
"panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it?
We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high
profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the
predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like
Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a
republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but
that only demonstrates your prejudice.


What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into
Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing
substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of
Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an
investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's
misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it.

Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada.

Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy.

Yeah, we got it.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:18:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.
When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal
"panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it?
We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high
profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the
predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like
Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a
republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but
that only demonstrates your prejudice.


What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into
Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing
substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of
Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an
investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's
misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it.

What would you have them do? They interviewed a dozen people who were
supposed to be able to shed some light on this and to a person the
people said they never saw anything like that take place and they
never heard about it.
I suppose they could try to recreate the seance where Ford dredged up
this repressed memory but I am not sure it has any evidentiary value.

As for the Russians, are you now saying Mueller is another Trump
lackey? A week or two ago you were saying he had all of the evidence
he needed to "nail" Trump. He certainly has't hinted at any so far. He
has managed to do some work for the IRS and catch some tax fraud by 3d
parties and they have set up some very good perjury traps to try to
find cooperators. Still no smoking guns.
The idea that this is anything like Watergate is ridiculous. Within
days they had direct links between Watergate burglars and Nixon. They
also had a slam dunk crime to lever off of. In this case Zuckerberg
has more liability than anyone in the White House because he monetized
the meddling.

On 10/9/18 12:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:18:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.
When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal
"panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it?
We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high
profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the
predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like
Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a
republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but
that only demonstrates your prejudice.


What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into
Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing
substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of
Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an
investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's
misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it.

What would you have them do? They interviewed a dozen people who were
supposed to be able to shed some light on this and to a person the
people said they never saw anything like that take place and they
never heard about it.
I suppose they could try to recreate the seance where Ford dredged up
this repressed memory but I am not sure it has any evidentiary value.

As for the Russians, are you now saying Mueller is another Trump
lackey? A week or two ago you were saying he had all of the evidence
he needed to "nail" Trump. He certainly has't hinted at any so far. He
has managed to do some work for the IRS and catch some tax fraud by 3d
parties and they have set up some very good perjury traps to try to
find cooperators. Still no smoking guns.
The idea that this is anything like Watergate is ridiculous. Within
days they had direct links between Watergate burglars and Nixon. They
also had a slam dunk crime to lever off of. In this case Zuckerberg
has more liability than anyone in the White House because he monetized
the meddling.


No, I said the "House" investigation was a sham. I don't know what
Mueller has on Trump. Neither do you.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:

Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.

Trump is losing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786

Trump is winning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html




I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.
When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal
"panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to
Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through
and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent".

I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene
Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had.

Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments
were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter
displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no
question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a
political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh
guilty with no collaborating evidence.

Well done.


It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy.
Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst
human being to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a
decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter
who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that
makes it Trump's words.

If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial
investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that
includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of
lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows
what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator
charges against him.

I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump
defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh.

Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it?
We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high
profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the
predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like
Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a
republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but
that only demonstrates your prejudice.


What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into
Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing
substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of
Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an
investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's
misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it.

Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada.

Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy.

Yeah, we got it.

It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or
education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident
35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it?
If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be
expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else?

It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best.

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
No, I said the "House" investigation was a sham. I don't know what
Mueller has on Trump. Neither do you.
..........

Does mueller have something on trump? Or is that your standard wishful thinking ?