On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances next Tuesday! Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html

As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.

Mr. Luddite

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"I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever givesÂ*
up the ghost I'll shop for one.Â*

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed andÂ*
gave it three pulls. Â*Fired right up. Â*Last time it was used was lastÂ*
winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Â*Still has the sameÂ*
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. Â*I have itÂ*
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gasÂ*
if and when I need it again. Â*It's just purring away on the old gas.Â*

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. Â*It mayÂ*
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP ratingÂ*
but I see no evidence of that. Â*I put a 1500 watt space heater on itÂ*
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine."Â*


What the 'ell!
My new Honda 2000 took 7 or eight pulls to get it going in July on fresh gas with Seafoam additive.
I take it out of the basement four times a year, pour the 3 month old gas into my Highlander and get about 8 liters of fresh high test in the can.
Mix the Seafoam in and pour close to half a liter of the new stuff into the generator and start it up to run till it's dry.
Then generator goes back into the basement and the fresh gas sits in my shed until needed or the 3 month mark...which ever comes first.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:43:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good enough
to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for the
stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.

The story comes from people storing E-10 in vented boat tanks. It is
constantly absorbing water, up until the point of phase separation
(scientifically described as the point at which the alcohol has
reached it's saturation point and comes out of solution with the
gasoline).
Gasoline itself still has a shelf life but that has to do with the out
gassing of the more volatile components. That is a much longer process
but it still happens.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:43:03 -0400, Keyser Soze Â*
wrote:Â*


On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:Â*

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I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever givesÂ*
up the ghost I'll shop for one.Â*
Â*
Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed andÂ*
gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was lastÂ*
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the sameÂ*
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have itÂ*
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gasÂ*
if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas..Â*
Â*
So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It mayÂ*
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP ratingÂ*
but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on itÂ*
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.Â*
Â*
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Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good enoughÂ*
to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for theÂ*
stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."Â*
Â*
Gotta love that scientific methodology.Â*
Â*

"The story comes from people storing E-10 in vented boat tanks. It isÂ*
constantly absorbing water, up until the point of phase separationÂ*
(scientifically described as the point at which the alcohol hasÂ*
reached it's saturation point and comes out of solution with theÂ*
gasoline).Â*
Gasoline itself still has a shelf life but that has to do with the outÂ*
gassing of the more volatile components. That is a much longer processÂ*
but it still happens."



Don't you watch those various zombie...walking dead shows?
Gasoline is good after 10 years of sitting in old vehicle tanks and batteries hold their charge just as long.

True North

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Don't you watch those various zombie...walking dead shows?
Gasoline is good after 10 years of sitting in old vehicle tanks and batteries hold their charge just as long.
.......

Lol! Like that futuristic comedy by Woody Allen where they’re in a cave and found an old VW bug stuffed away. It had several inch’s if dust settled on it. They got in, started it, turned the headlights on and drove away....

On 9/14/2018 12:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 11:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.Â* We're on a
hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a
well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly
lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of
the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen,
kitchen and showers so really no big deal.Â* Plus I have about 5
ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.Â* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.Â* All new appliances next
Tuesday!Â* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.Â* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good
enough to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for
the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.



http://funkyimg.com/i/2Le5c.jpg



Universal truth from a single observation?


Just an additional data point from the time the generator sat for five
years unused with gas in it. (again, used some Stabil). After all that
time it ran, although it took extra pulls for it to fire up.
Once running, it burned up the five year old gas with no problems.

I am in the habit of adding Stabil to the gas storage jug immediately
after I fill it with fresh gas. In that way the generator always has
treated gas and it has always fired up and run fine after long periods
of sitting (i.e. 5 years). Just my experience and only with the little
Honda generator. Works for me.

Doing the same now with the gas I use in the little scooter, based on
the luck I've had with the generator. The only difference is that the
scooter uses high test (93 octane) gas.

When it's time to put the motorcycle away for the winter, I'll do the
same for it. In fact, the owner's manual for the Suzuki specifically
says to fill the tank with fresh gas, add an appropriate amount of fuel
stabilizer (the manual recommends Stabil), run the motorcycle for a
while to distribute the treated gas throughout the fuel system including
the fuel injectors before permanently storing the motorcycle.

True North Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite

- show quoted text -

"I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine."


What the 'ell!
My new Honda 2000 took 7 or eight pulls to get it going in July on fresh gas with Seafoam additive.
I take it out of the basement four times a year, pour the 3 month old gas into my Highlander and get about 8 liters of fresh high test in the can.
Mix the Seafoam in and pour close to half a liter of the new stuff into the generator and start it up to run till it's dry.
Then generator goes back into the basement and the fresh gas sits in my shed until needed or the 3 month mark...which ever comes first.





Pull a little harder if you can. You might be able to get it
started in 3 pulls.
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On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances next Tuesday! Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html

As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

On 9/14/2018 1:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:43:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good enough
to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for the
stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.

The story comes from people storing E-10 in vented boat tanks. It is
constantly absorbing water, up until the point of phase separation
(scientifically described as the point at which the alcohol has
reached it's saturation point and comes out of solution with the
gasoline).
Gasoline itself still has a shelf life but that has to do with the out
gassing of the more volatile components. That is a much longer process
but it still happens.



One of the reasons I've had such good luck with the Honda generator with
old gas might be because the Honda's fuel system is sealed. There's a
knob on top of the gas filler cap that turns the vent on or off. I
always store it with the vent closed.

On 9/14/2018 1:35 PM, Tim wrote:
True North

- show quoted text -
Don't you watch those various zombie...walking dead shows?
Gasoline is good after 10 years of sitting in old vehicle tanks and batteries hold their charge just as long.
......

Lol! Like that futuristic comedy by Woody Allen where they’re in a cave and found an old VW bug stuffed away. It had several inch’s if dust settled on it. They got in, started it, turned the headlights on and drove away....



DuraCell Lithium Ion batteries. :-)

I dug out my Nikon D-70 camera the other day. Haven't used it in almost
three years. I have three batteries for it and put one in the charger,
assuming it was dead after all that time. The charger light immediately
starting blinking and at first I assumed it indicated a bad battery that
would not take a charge. But my son grabbed it, put it in the camera
and the camera display said it had a full charge. It did. I am still
taking pictures using the same battery.