On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 9:49:47 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 12:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 11:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are
back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a
hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a
well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly
lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of
the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen,
kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Plus I have about 5
ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances
next
Tuesday! Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after
almost 3
months. Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV
crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html



As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage
shed and
gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was
last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I
have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use
fresh gas
if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old
gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It
may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP
rating
but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater
on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good
enough to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for
the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.



http://funkyimg.com/i/2Le5c.jpg



Universal truth from a single observation?


Just an additional data point from the time the generator sat for five
years unused with gas in it. (again, used some Stabil). After all that
time it ran, although it took extra pulls for it to fire up.
Once running, it burned up the five year old gas with no problems.

I am in the habit of adding Stabil to the gas storage jug immediately
after I fill it with fresh gas. In that way the generator always has
treated gas and it has always fired up and run fine after long periods
of sitting (i.e. 5 years). Just my experience and only with the little
Honda generator. Works for me.

Doing the same now with the gas I use in the little scooter, based on
the luck I've had with the generator. The only difference is that the
scooter uses high test (93 octane) gas.

When it's time to put the motorcycle away for the winter, I'll do the
same for it. In fact, the owner's manual for the Suzuki specifically
says to fill the tank with fresh gas, add an appropriate amount of fuel
stabilizer (the manual recommends Stabil), run the motorcycle for a
while to distribute the treated gas throughout the fuel system
including
the fuel injectors before permanently storing the motorcycle.

That is the good thing about being a regular boater. I always have
fresh gas around. My problem now is the cars. We don't drive enough
these days to keep the battery up on all 3 of them. I am not sure my
wife has been behind the wheel for a year.
I should sell one I guess.


My wife's 2017 Toyota has about 5000 miles on it, and that includes
two 1600-mile round trips to the Jax area.


Did you run down there to pay off debts? You don't like to drive long
distances, right?

Ha, ha! Funny.

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new
hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the
house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry
is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so
slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a hill so no worries of
flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the
trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so
it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we
have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Plus I
have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my time
painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances next Tuesday!
Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html

As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.

Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.

Sold the Honda today. But, Harbor Freight is out of the generator I want.
Actually, they're out of
all generators. Hope we don't lose power for too long. I think our
longest outage, in 27 years with
this company, has been for about four hours.


Costco had the 2000w Yamaha in my local store a couple weeks ago for
$5-600. Forget exact price.

wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:42:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 2:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.Â* We're on a
hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a
well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly
lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of
the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen,
kitchen and showers so really no big deal.Â* Plus I have about 5
ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.Â* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.Â* All new appliances next
Tuesday!Â* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.Â* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank.Â* It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house
generator he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping
for a longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment
he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not
counting the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing
the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.


I ran the furnace and circulating pump (7 zones) in an eight thousand
square foot house using the 2000 watt Honda. It also ran a refrigerator
at the same time although it grunted a bit when the compressor first
started.

I agree though, it would never be adequate for heat pumps/ central air
conditioners, well pumps or anything that requires 240 volts or current
draws of more than 13 amps or so. I just have never had requirements to
do that (other than once in Florida). Our power outages up here are rare
and typically occur in the winter. They also don't last long. As
previously mentioned, I can only recall
two in the past 13 years and combined they lasted a total of 3 and a
half days.

I have been here 34 years.
I only remember one outage here that lasted a whole day (Irma).
Charley was about 20 hours and we have had a few that were more than 8
but most of the time we are only out an hour or so, still pretty rare.
Occasionally we have had short outages that were so short that the UPS
kept the TV and my PC going and we didn't even notice until we saw the
kitchen light was out. The dog usually alerts tho when the inverters
in the USP's kick on.


We have underground utilities where I live. So rare for a power outage.
Longest was about 20 hours when the transformer at the bottom of the street
blew up.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:16:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:32:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 12:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 11:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.* We're on a
hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a
well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly
lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of
the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen,
kitchen and showers so really no big deal.* Plus I have about 5
ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.* All new appliances next
Tuesday!* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.* Fired right up.* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good
enough to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for
the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.



http://funkyimg.com/i/2Le5c.jpg



Universal truth from a single observation?


Just an additional data point from the time the generator sat for five
years unused with gas in it. (again, used some Stabil). After all that
time it ran, although it took extra pulls for it to fire up.
Once running, it burned up the five year old gas with no problems.

I am in the habit of adding Stabil to the gas storage jug immediately
after I fill it with fresh gas. In that way the generator always has
treated gas and it has always fired up and run fine after long periods
of sitting (i.e. 5 years). Just my experience and only with the little
Honda generator. Works for me.

Doing the same now with the gas I use in the little scooter, based on
the luck I've had with the generator. The only difference is that the
scooter uses high test (93 octane) gas.

When it's time to put the motorcycle away for the winter, I'll do the
same for it. In fact, the owner's manual for the Suzuki specifically
says to fill the tank with fresh gas, add an appropriate amount of fuel
stabilizer (the manual recommends Stabil), run the motorcycle for a
while to distribute the treated gas throughout the fuel system including
the fuel injectors before permanently storing the motorcycle.

That is the good thing about being a regular boater. I always have
fresh gas around. My problem now is the cars. We don't drive enough
these days to keep the battery up on all 3 of them. I am not sure my
wife has been behind the wheel for a year.
I should sell one I guess.

Battery Tender works well on autos also.

===

That's what we do. Our three vehicles sit for 6 months when we are
away on the boat for the summer. Each one has its own battery tender
and they start right up when we get home. Without it the batteries
are dead and need to be replaced.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:00:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/14/2018 4:14 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/14/2018 12:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 11:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.* We're on a
hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a
well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly
lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of
the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen,
kitchen and showers so really no big deal.* Plus I have about 5
ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.* All new appliances next
Tuesday!* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.* Fired right up.* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.




Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good
enough to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for
the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two."

Gotta love that scientific methodology.



http://funkyimg.com/i/2Le5c.jpg



Universal truth from a single observation?


Just an additional data point from the time the generator sat for five
years unused with gas in it. (again, used some Stabil). After all that
time it ran, although it took extra pulls for it to fire up.
Once running, it burned up the five year old gas with no problems.

I am in the habit of adding Stabil to the gas storage jug immediately
after I fill it with fresh gas. In that way the generator always has
treated gas and it has always fired up and run fine after long periods
of sitting (i.e. 5 years). Just my experience and only with the little
Honda generator. Works for me.

Doing the same now with the gas I use in the little scooter, based on
the luck I've had with the generator. The only difference is that the
scooter uses high test (93 octane) gas.

When it's time to put the motorcycle away for the winter, I'll do the
same for it. In fact, the owner's manual for the Suzuki specifically
says to fill the tank with fresh gas, add an appropriate amount of fuel
stabilizer (the manual recommends Stabil), run the motorcycle for a
while to distribute the treated gas throughout the fuel system including
the fuel injectors before permanently storing the motorcycle.


Are you up in Connecticut now or down south with us racists?

Why put the bike up for the winter. There's usually a bunch of great riding days in the winter, at
least around here. I just keep it ready to go all the time.


I am still in Massachusetts, not too far from the beginning of Cape Cod.
I am not a big fan of cold weather riding. I bought the motorcycle more
as an impulse buy anyway. Might keep it, might not. We'll see.
Actually, I enjoy riding the little scooter but it's not all that
comfortable for longer rides.


I keep kicking around the scooter idea. I'd get one of these. Very comfortable for a tall guy. There
is also an extension for the windscreen. With a 650cc engine, the thing will scoot over 100mph and
is fine on the interstate.

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/...ABS-5004031071

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:03:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/14/2018 4:22 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but
is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.* We're on a hill so
no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should
have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power
twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work
is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so
really no big deal.* Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without
electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.* All new appliances next
Tuesday!* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html


As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and
gave it three pulls.* Fired right up.* Last time it was used was last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas
if and when I need it again.* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating
but I see no evidence of that.* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank.* It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.



In an insulated house up my way it takes far more than a day or two of
temps near zero or below to start being concerned with frozen pipes.
Don't think it gets that cold in Harry's neck of the woods.


It doesn't.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:10:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/14/2018 7:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 6:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 4:22 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but
is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.* We're on a
hill so
no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well.
Should
have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power
twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list.
Work
is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and
showers so
really no big deal.* Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without
electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well.* I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts.* All new appliances next
Tuesday!* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months.* Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV
crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html



As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage
shed and
gave it three pulls.* Fired right up.* Last time it was used was
last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days.* Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.* I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh
gas
if and when I need it again.* It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.* It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP
rating
but I see no evidence of that.* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank.* It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house
generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he
made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not
counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the
pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage?
Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill
the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the
faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist
southern MD where you live.



In an insulated house up my way it takes far more than a day or two of
temps near zero or below to start being concerned with frozen pipes.
Don't think it gets that cold in Harry's neck of the woods.



How long does it take? Do you know? We've had winters in which the temps
were in the single digits for a few days and only up in the teens later
in that week. Would that be enough to freeze the pipes in an unheated
house?

I stated that it takes far more than a day or two of temps near zero or
below. How do I know? Because I've experienced it.

Insulation is nothing more than a time delay for heat loss. However,
that time delay can be quite lengthy for a well insulated house. The
delay is also a factor of the delta T of the ambient temperature outside
and the temperature inside the house and how often water flows through
the pipes. During the last 2 day outage we experienced in our former
house the outside temps during the day didn't rise above 12 degrees (F)
and nights were below zero. After two days the house temp was still
at 62 degrees inside. That's when I decided to hook the generator up
to the heating system. Fortunately, power was restored a few hours later.

If your house is poorly insulated or (worse yet) water pipes in outside
walls were not installed properly, (meaning ending up between the
insulation and the outside walls) you may have problems faster.

Only time I've experienced frozen (and burst) water pipes was in Mrs.E's
unheated horse barn where there was no insulation at all, the water
pipes were exposed and I forgot to plug in the heat tape/rope on them.



OK, you've blown his mind. He'll probably shut up for a while.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:56:35 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keyser Soze

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On 9/14/18 5:25 PM, justan wrote:*
John H. Wrote in message:*
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:*
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On 9/14/18 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:*
John H*
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:*
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On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:*
On 9/14/2018 12:14 *wrote:*
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That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem*
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My*
generator will run both.*
*
*
*
I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators*
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal*
propane underground tank. *It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes*
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator*
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a*
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made.*
*
I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting*
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool.*
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just*
fine with it.*
*
I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know*
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that*
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,*
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a*
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't*
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.*
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.*
*
Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day*
power outage in which the genny served us well.*
*
Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a*
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.*
*
Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet.*
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get*
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live.*
*
........*
*
*
John, some people don’t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them....*
*
*
*
*
Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator*
keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage?*
Doesn't your idiot buddy Johnny**** carry or use a generator in his*
motel room on wheels? Can't he put his dog or wife on a treadmill to*
generate whatever electricity he needs, and can't he poop in the woods?*
*
Leaving the water trickling isn't much of a solution when the water in*
the pipes comes from a well that has a 220 volt pump motor 225 feet*
underground.*
*
When we build our next house, we'll have a propane-fueled permanent*
generator there, too.*
*
If you had balls, you'd ask me yourself!*
*
Didn't mean to **** you off so badly. :)*
*
*
Yes you did. :-)*
*

"The only thing Herring can **** on is his own trousers."


Hee hee!
I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with this post!


Not nice, Don. Try to be a bit more sociable and not be sucking up to Harry for his insults.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:02:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

John H

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:*

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:*
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:*
*
Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. *We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. *Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.*
*
Hope anyone in the path fairs well. *I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. *All new appliances next Tuesday! *Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. *Whew!*
*
I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.*
*
*https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...or-63584.html*
*
As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.*
*
Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.*

"Sold the Honda today. But, Harbor Freight is out of the generator I want. Actually, they're out of*
all generators. Hope we don't lose power for too long. I think our longest outage, in 27 years with*
this company, has been for about four hours."*


Duh!
Considering we're in the middle of hurricane season, it might gave been prudent to get the new generator and test drive it before selling the Honda.

Next week is plenty soon enough. I strongly doubt we'll have any problems with this hurricane. And
if the electricity goes for a day or two, which hasn't happened in the past 27 years, we'll manage.
Thanks for the kind thoughts though.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 22:03:34 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:02:10 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

John H

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:*

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:*
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:*
*
Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. *We're on a hill so no
worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. *Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without
electricity, so we are OK.*
*
Hope anyone in the path fairs well. *I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. *All new appliances next Tuesday! *Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. *Whew!*
*
I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.*
*
*https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...or-63584.html*
*
As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.*
*
Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.*

"Sold the Honda today. But, Harbor Freight is out of the generator I want. Actually, they're out of*
all generators. Hope we don't lose power for too long. I think our longest outage, in 27 years with*
this company, has been for about four hours."*


Duh!
Considering we're in the middle of hurricane season, it might gave been prudent to get the new generator and test drive it before selling the Honda.

Up where John lives, winter probably has more outages than hurricanes
bring. I am not sure I ever had a hurricane related outage near DC.

Only if a tree falls on a wire, which has happened. But Dominion Power has been very fast when it
comes to getting the electricity back on.