Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/12/18 12:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2018 10:10 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 05:02:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Keyser Soze
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Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and got
nothing in return.
.....

You still refuse to recognize the effort don?t you?

That?s ok.


Harry knows nothing of military exercises. By 'giving them up', we are
saving a whole potfull of
money. Their biggest effect was showing off to the North Koreans. We
don't need to do that.


Plus, those in the left are acting as if Trump has cancelled military
exercises with South Korea forever. He never said that. The exercises
are a bone of contention with the North and he has canceled them for the
time being in a good faith gesture to further the possibilities of a
to be negotiated formal agreement with the North. If those negotiations
fail you can betyour ass the exercises will resume.

That brings up another point. The comments I am hearing from the left
make it sound like the "agreement" that was signed is the end of
discussions. It's only the opening sentence in any negotiated deal
that is made with North Korea.




No comments I've read or heard indicate the short meeting and signed
agreement of nothing was the end of discussions.



Fat Harry gets something right for a change. Will wonders never cease?
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Ha ha ha ha ha. Kim is a murderer.



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On 6/12/18 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:36:20 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/12/18 7:35 AM, Tim wrote:

6:15 AMKeyser Soze
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Oh, I guess I missed that in the communique...so, North Korea gave up
its nukes, is taking down its facilities to build them, and is allowing
full access to UN inspectors? Damn! All that to get a Trump Tower and
Golf Course there, of course.

..........

You missed what I said because you have your head stuck somewhere. I was saying that if trump pulls it off the media still won’t give him (to your delight) any credit fir it.



Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and got
nothing in return.

I am surprised to see you complaining about NOT having military
exercises. I thought the military was unnecessary and a waste of
money.


I'm merely pointing out the self-described great deal maker got nothing
for the pawn, the cancelling of military exercises, he sacrificed.

On 6/12/2018 12:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/12/18 12:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2018 10:10 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 05:02:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and
got
nothing in return.
.....

You still refuse to recognize the effort don’tÂ* you?

That’s ok.


Harry knows nothing of military exercises. By 'giving them up', we
are saving a whole potfull of
money. Their biggest effect was showing off to the North Koreans. We
don't need to do that.


Plus, those in the left are acting as if Trump has cancelled military
exercises with South Korea forever.Â* He never said that.Â* The exercises
are a bone of contention with the North and he has canceled them for the
time being in a good faith gesture to further the possibilities of a
to be negotiated formal agreement with the North.Â* If those
negotiations fail you can betyour ass the exercises will resume.

That brings up another point.Â* The comments I am hearing from the left
make it sound like the "agreement" that was signed is the end of
discussions.Â* It's only the opening sentence in any negotiated deal
that is made with North Korea.




No comments I've read or heard indicate the short meeting and signed
agreement of nothing was the end of discussions.



Then you are not paying attention to the comments being made by your
party's members and leadership. Turn on MSNBC. You'll hear many
of those types of comments.

"Short on details", "Worst agreement I've ever seen", among many
others. At least one Republican, Lindsey Graham, is also complaining
about the halt of military exercises with the South. I guess he
doesn't realize they often get called off due to bad weather and
can be immediately resumed.

The one that really cracks me up is the reaction to Trump's comment
that it may prove to be that he was wrong in trusting Kim, adding,
"But of course I'll never admit it". The left is going nuts over
that one.

Harry ... I'll clue you in. It was a joke.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:15:47 -0400, wrote:

As Don Corleone says "keep your friends close but keep your enemies
closer".

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Machiavelli actually said it first if my memory is correct.

On 6/12/2018 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:21:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2018 6:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/11/18 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:33:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:09:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:
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Anyone who is rooting for a recession just to punish the sitting
president deserves a little dislike. I assume you are in his camp
saying **** the working man, I have mine.

.........

Maher was really lame in this one.Â* He sounds really desperate to me...

The left is scared to death that Trump will be successful, to the
point that they are wishing for a disaster they can pin on him.



Trump is very successful kissing the ass of murderous dictators, but he
doesn't seem to be able to get along with the leaders of western
democracies. North Korean specializes in prison, torture, executions,
and starvation of its own people, but Trump thinks Kim is someone to
admire.


Trump is focusing on the future, not the past.

The immediate media reactions to the summit meeting is extremely
interesting to me. I am far from being an expert in these matters but
one thing really struck me based on my limited experience in
business meetings and/or negotiations with representatives with some
Asian companies.

Watching MSNBC this morning, all the discussion is about how "loose"
and undefined the agreement Trump and Kim Jong Un signed. They
are focusing on the lack of specifics and timing of North Korea's
actions, dissecting the agreement.

Americans tend to want to get right down to the nuts and bolts of a
contract and hammer out all the terms and conditions so they can be
documented in a legal document in the form of a contract, and the
faster it can be done, the better.

The culture in Asian countries ... and my experience is limited to
Japan and China ... is very different. Much more time is spent
initially in getting to know each other down to some of the personal
and family aspects of the people involved in the project. I remember
back in the early 80's the company I worked for at the time was
entering into a major contract with a company in Japan. The Japanese
company (Ricoh) sent a delegation of engineering types, project managers
and contract specialists to spend a week at the company I worked at
to work out the contract. The owner of my company hired a consultant
to come in and brief all of us who would be involved in the discussions
regarding how the Japanese business culture worked and what to expect.

The meetings went exactly as he described with pretty much the whole
first day being spent on who we all were, our families, our hobbies
and personal interests, etc. Not a peep about the project until after
a day or more of personal interaction, dinners and social meetings
in the evenings. Only after all that did we get down to discussing
the project.

It was a very similar experience when I went to China in 1986. Met
with several companies representing different industries over the
course of a week and a half. Very little was discussed about specific
applications for the technology my company represented. It was more
of a personal "interview" and, in the case of China, was very
ceremonial. Local political leaders often attended the meetings
and much time was spent with them honoring their "guests" (me and
another guy who went with me) at nightly banquets given in our honor.

It was only after all this personal and ceremonial meetings that we
actually got down to discussing the technical and contractual issues.
The purpose, I've been told, is to develop mutual respect and trust so
that in the execution of the contract, details that were not documented
or overlooked could be worked out in a trusting and mutually respectful
manner.

I don't know if the North Korean culture is similar (or even if it
still exists in Japan and China anymore) but if so, I can understand
how Trump is approaching this. It's too complicated to document every
single nut and bolt of the intention of an agreement. Plus, the
"contract" hasn't even been developed yet.

The MSNBC folks are thinking like typical American business people
and (predictably) are being very critical of the very early discussions
Trump and Kim Jong Un had as if they were supposed to work out every
nut and bolt.


If this was any previous administration, they would still be arguing
about where they would meet, have another month or so of discussion
about what they would say then spend a month deciding on the shape of
the table.
You have to give Trump some credit for just getting the ball rolling.
If he doesn't say or do something stupid until they can meet again, we
might actually see some progress in a war that has gone on as long as
most of us have been alive. I was 5 when it started.



Politicians love to talk and have "conversations". Problem is there's
never time left to actually *do* anything because they are too busy
talking in front of cameras with the next election foremost in their minds.

In my opinion the agreement signed holds neither side accountable
to any specific action. It was an agreement of intent, that's all, but
it's a start. Let's let it play out and see if it matures into
something meaningful.

On 6/12/2018 1:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/12/18 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:36:20 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/12/18 7:35 AM, Tim wrote:

6:15 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Oh, I guess I missed that in the communique...so, North Korea gave up
its nukes, is taking down its facilities to build them, and is allowing
full access to UN inspectors? Damn! All that to get a Trump Tower and
Golf Course there, of course.

..........

You missed what I said because you have your head stuck somewhere.
I was saying that if trump pulls it off the media still won’t give
him (to your delight) any credit fir it.



Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and got
nothing in return.

I am surprised to see you complaining about NOT having military
exercises. I thought the military was unnecessary and a waste of
money.


I'm merely pointing out the self-described great deal maker got nothing
for the pawn, the cancelling of military exercises, he sacrificed.


Oh, please Harry. Can't you come up with an original complaint?
Virtually every one of your party members being interviewed on TV
are saying the same thing.

The exercises can be turned back on anytime. Hell, didn't Trump and the
Pentagon delay them out of respect for the recent Olympics held
in South Korea?

You guys are comical in coming up with things to bitch about.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:11:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/12/18 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:36:20 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/12/18 7:35 AM, Tim wrote:

6:15 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Oh, I guess I missed that in the communique...so, North Korea gave up
its nukes, is taking down its facilities to build them, and is allowing
full access to UN inspectors? Damn! All that to get a Trump Tower and
Golf Course there, of course.

..........

You missed what I said because you have your head stuck somewhere. I was saying that if trump pulls it off the media still won’t give him (to your delight) any credit fir it.



Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and got
nothing in return.

I am surprised to see you complaining about NOT having military
exercises. I thought the military was unnecessary and a waste of
money.


I'm merely pointing out the self-described great deal maker got nothing
for the pawn, the cancelling of military exercises, he sacrificed.

===

Just getting Kim to a modern, partially westernized country for a
short time may accomplish a great deal in the long run. Anything that
expands his narrow horizons is most likely a plus.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:32:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2018 1:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/12/18 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:36:20 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/12/18 7:35 AM, Tim wrote:

6:15 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Oh, I guess I missed that in the communique...so, North Korea gave up
its nukes, is taking down its facilities to build them, and is allowing
full access to UN inspectors? Damn! All that to get a Trump Tower and
Golf Course there, of course.

..........

You missed what I said because you have your head stuck somewhere.
I was saying that if trump pulls it off the media still won’t give
him (to your delight) any credit fir it.



Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and got
nothing in return.

I am surprised to see you complaining about NOT having military
exercises. I thought the military was unnecessary and a waste of
money.


I'm merely pointing out the self-described great deal maker got nothing
for the pawn, the cancelling of military exercises, he sacrificed.


Oh, please Harry. Can't you come up with an original complaint?
Virtually every one of your party members being interviewed on TV
are saying the same thing.

The exercises can be turned back on anytime. Hell, didn't Trump and the
Pentagon delay them out of respect for the recent Olympics held
in South Korea?

You guys are comical in coming up with things to bitch about.

===

Old women can always find things to bitch about. Why should 'Airree
be different?

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/12/18 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:36:20 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/12/18 7:35 AM, Tim wrote:

6:15 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Oh, I guess I missed that in the communique...so, North Korea gave up
its nukes, is taking down its facilities to build them, and is allowing
full access to UN inspectors? Damn! All that to get a Trump Tower and
Golf Course there, of course.

..........

You missed what I said because you have your head stuck somewhere. I was saying that if trump pulls it off the media still won?t give him (to your delight) any credit fir it.



Pulls off what, exactly, Timmy? Trump gave up military exercises and got
nothing in return.

I am surprised to see you complaining about NOT having military
exercises. I thought the military was unnecessary and a waste of
money.


I'm merely pointing out the self-described great deal maker got nothing
for the pawn, the cancelling of military exercises, he sacrificed.


Did he say cancell or suspend?
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