On Sat, 5 May 2018 05:21:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:31:22 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
In 2003, Seattle declared itself a 'sanctuary city'. Now they have the third largest homeless
problem in the country. I think the article has it backwards. It seems like Seattle is trying to
punish Amazon for providing a lot of employment by charging Amazon $500 per employee. I sometimes
wonder how the 'news' comes up with its headlines. Faced with that kind of tax, Amazon is putting
expansion plans on hold. Sounds quite reasonable. I'd be looking at North Carolina or Arkansas!??

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...ob-fb-enus-894

I wonder how Seattle or let alone Washington state would like it if Amazon relocated elsewhere? It could happen.

I'd for damn sure be looking to relocate. Maybe the powers that be in Seattle would get the word.

7:53 AMJohn H
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I'd for damn sure be looking to relocate. Maybe the powers that be in Seattle would get the word.
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You’d think so but it hasn’t worked that way here in Blue Illinois.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ut-of-illinois

On 5/5/18 9:28 AM, Tim wrote:

7:53 AMJohn H
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I'd for damn sure be looking to relocate. Maybe the powers that be in Seattle would get the word.
..........

You’d think so but it hasn’t worked that way here in Blue Illinois.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ut-of-illinois


Herring is moving to Seattle? I don't believe his sort of aging white
racist would feel welcome there...

On Sat, 5 May 2018 06:28:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


7:53 AMJohn H
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I'd for damn sure be looking to relocate. Maybe the powers that be in Seattle would get the word.
..........

You’d think so but it hasn’t worked that way here in Blue Illinois.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ut-of-illinois

If Illinois is going to become a 'sanctuary state' they may try the same tax crap as Seattle.

On Sat, 05 May 2018 11:24:27 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 5 May 2018 06:28:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


7:53 AMJohn H
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I'd for damn sure be looking to relocate. Maybe the powers that be in Seattle would get the word.
..........

You’d think so but it hasn’t worked that way here in Blue Illinois.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ut-of-illinois

If Illinois is going to become a 'sanctuary state' they may try the same tax crap as Seattle.

This has as much to do with unrestrained promises forced on the people
by public service union contracts as immigration.
The pittance an immigrant gets is nothing like the six figure
retirements drawn by people who never made close to that much in most
of their working life.
A few weeks ago there was a story in the papers about a disgraced
fireman, forced into retirement over sexual allegations but we can't
feel too sorry about him. They will be paying him around $160k a year
He got a separation check of another $130k or so and he didn't even
have to **** Trump. He just ****ed the tax payers.

To make matters worse, they take that money out of state when they
retire (who wants to pay those nosebleed taxes) so it is just rust
belt tax payers sending money to the sun belt.

On Sat, 05 May 2018 11:39:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 05 May 2018 11:24:27 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 5 May 2018 06:28:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


7:53 AMJohn H
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I'd for damn sure be looking to relocate. Maybe the powers that be in Seattle would get the word.
..........

You’d think so but it hasn’t worked that way here in Blue Illinois.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ut-of-illinois

If Illinois is going to become a 'sanctuary state' they may try the same tax crap as Seattle.

This has as much to do with unrestrained promises forced on the people
by public service union contracts as immigration.
The pittance an immigrant gets is nothing like the six figure
retirements drawn by people who never made close to that much in most
of their working life.
A few weeks ago there was a story in the papers about a disgraced
fireman, forced into retirement over sexual allegations but we can't
feel too sorry about him. They will be paying him around $160k a year
He got a separation check of another $130k or so and he didn't even
have to **** Trump. He just ****ed the tax payers.

To make matters worse, they take that money out of state when they
retire (who wants to pay those nosebleed taxes) so it is just rust
belt tax payers sending money to the sun belt.

I don't think we're discussing what an immigrant 'gets', but what companies may have to pay the
state to put them in housing and otherwise care for them.

On 5/5/18 11:39 AM, wrote:

This has as much to do with unrestrained promises forced on the people
by public service union contracts as immigration.
The pittance an immigrant gets is nothing like the six figure
retirements drawn by people who never made close to that much in most
of their working life.
A few weeks ago there was a story in the papers about a disgraced
fireman, forced into retirement over sexual allegations but we can't
feel too sorry about him. They will be paying him around $160k a year
He got a separation check of another $130k or so and he didn't even
have to **** Trump. He just ****ed the tax payers.

To make matters worse, they take that money out of state when they
retire (who wants to pay those nosebleed taxes) so it is just rust
belt tax payers sending money to the sun belt.



We can be sure that *all* *most* *many* public service employees who
retire are drawing six figure retirement pensions, right?

So, tell us, just what percentage of retired municipal or state workers
who never "made close to that much" are drawing six figure retirements?

On Sat, 5 May 2018 12:16:47 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 5/5/18 11:39 AM, wrote:

This has as much to do with unrestrained promises forced on the people
by public service union contracts as immigration.
The pittance an immigrant gets is nothing like the six figure
retirements drawn by people who never made close to that much in most
of their working life.
A few weeks ago there was a story in the papers about a disgraced
fireman, forced into retirement over sexual allegations but we can't
feel too sorry about him. They will be paying him around $160k a year
He got a separation check of another $130k or so and he didn't even
have to **** Trump. He just ****ed the tax payers.

To make matters worse, they take that money out of state when they
retire (who wants to pay those nosebleed taxes) so it is just rust
belt tax payers sending money to the sun belt.



We can be sure that *all* *most* *many* public service employees who
retire are drawing six figure retirement pensions, right?

So, tell us, just what percentage of retired municipal or state workers
who never "made close to that much" are drawing six figure retirements?

The ones coming from rust belt states where the unions have
blackmailed the local governments into unsustainable retirement plans.
You can also add the big cities on the coasts to that.
You did trim "in most of their working life" from the statement.
They understand that if they can load up the last few years they work
with as much overtime and extra compensation as they can, the pension
will be much higher.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/5/18 11:39 AM, wrote:

This has as much to do with unrestrained promises forced on the people
by public service union contracts as immigration.
The pittance an immigrant gets is nothing like the six figure
retirements drawn by people who never made close to that much in most
of their working life.
A few weeks ago there was a story in the papers about a disgraced
fireman, forced into retirement over sexual allegations but we can't
feel too sorry about him. They will be paying him around $160k a year
He got a separation check of another $130k or so and he didn't even
have to **** Trump. He just ****ed the tax payers.

To make matters worse, they take that money out of state when they
retire (who wants to pay those nosebleed taxes) so it is just rust
belt tax payers sending money to the sun belt.



We can be sure that *all* *most* *many* public service employees who
retire are drawing six figure retirement pensions, right?

So, tell us, just what percentage of retired municipal or state workers
who never "made close to that much" are drawing six figure retirements?


A bunch in California. They get 3% per year of service of their last years
salary. Unfortunately the public service people spike their last years
income. Do not take vacation for 5 years, add that to the final years
income, add all the overtime possible, any unpaid sick leave. Any private
company defined pension plan goes either on an average of the last 5 years,
or excludes unpaid vacation and overtime and sick leave.

On Sat, 5 May 2018 18:47:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/5/18 11:39 AM, wrote:

This has as much to do with unrestrained promises forced on the people
by public service union contracts as immigration.
The pittance an immigrant gets is nothing like the six figure
retirements drawn by people who never made close to that much in most
of their working life.
A few weeks ago there was a story in the papers about a disgraced
fireman, forced into retirement over sexual allegations but we can't
feel too sorry about him. They will be paying him around $160k a year
He got a separation check of another $130k or so and he didn't even
have to **** Trump. He just ****ed the tax payers.

To make matters worse, they take that money out of state when they
retire (who wants to pay those nosebleed taxes) so it is just rust
belt tax payers sending money to the sun belt.



We can be sure that *all* *most* *many* public service employees who
retire are drawing six figure retirement pensions, right?

So, tell us, just what percentage of retired municipal or state workers
who never "made close to that much" are drawing six figure retirements?


A bunch in California. They get 3% per year of service of their last years
salary. Unfortunately the public service people spike their last years
income. Do not take vacation for 5 years, add that to the final years
income, add all the overtime possible, any unpaid sick leave. Any private
company defined pension plan goes either on an average of the last 5 years,
or excludes unpaid vacation and overtime and sick leave.

Hopefully, you and Greg have straightened Harree out. More 'authoritative blabbing' as Tim would
say.