New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
 

On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had
critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating
because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group
dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy
the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a
liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to
say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a
laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all
they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical
with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking.
Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are
saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any
information as to what your "skills" or education level were until
*after* you received your induction notice.Â* *That* is when you took
tests and they considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam.Â* All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had
quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from
which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I
remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest
GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military
to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a
public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We
have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern
Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for
few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day
and at night.



I attended college for a while following high school however I was
young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid
"liberal arts" courses we all took.Â* So, I dropped out, much to my
parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler.

My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the
pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with
a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.Â* I didn't
join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the
draft board.Â* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to
ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure".

For me, it was not a bad choice.Â* As I often tell people I feel I got
more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit,
decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for
much of what I had to do to accomplish it.Â*Â* :-)




Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would
have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I
finished my
course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my
last
semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I
was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to
the photo darkroom. No discipline!Â* :)



Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO.Â* The military
teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19
year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life.Â* Not all
endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of
thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill.

Consider the attitudes of young people today.Â* I don't blame them but
they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or
otherwise, in today's culture.


Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through
college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had
critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating
because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group
dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm
happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they
needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a
liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to
say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s
a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all
they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction
physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped
looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified
after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery
number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.


Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or
numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good,
liar.


Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound
intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes
across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public
school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you
suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for
some sort of neurological injury.


Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act
for your benefit.

It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously.




Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late
Stephen
Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher.



How could you possibly know? Your only input is what you read here and
it's an act.

It's ok though. Makes me chuckle.





An act, eh? Doubtful. Although he certainly has you fooled. I don't
think he's playing stupid.


Are you insulting Luddite's intelligence? Who cares ,what you think?
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had
critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating
because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group
dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy
the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a
liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to
say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a
laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all
they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical
with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking.
Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are
saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any
information as to what your "skills" or education level were until
*after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took
tests and they considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had
quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from
which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I
remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest
GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military
to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a
public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We
have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern
Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for
few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day
and at night.



I attended college for a while following high school however I was
young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid
"liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my
parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler.

My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the
pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with
a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't
join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the
draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to
ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure".

For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got
more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit,
decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for
much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-)




Whatever works. I?m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would
have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I
finished my
course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my
last
semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I
was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to
the photo darkroom. No discipline! :)



Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO. The military
teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19
year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life. Not all
endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of
thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill.

Consider the attitudes of young people today. I don't blame them but
they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or
otherwise, in today's culture.


Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through
college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera.


Worked your brain to the bone, eh?
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On 3/25/2018 11:21 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had
critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating
because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone
with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group
dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm
happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they
needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a
liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to
say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota.
That?s
a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all
they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction
physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped
looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid.Â* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified
after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery
number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were
born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when
you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.


Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or
Â*Â* numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good,
Â*Â* liar.


Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound
intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who
comes
across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public
school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you
suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for
some sort of neurological injury.


Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act
for your benefit.

It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously.




Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late
Stephen
Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher.



How could you possibly know?Â* Your only input is what you read here
and it's an act.

It's ok though.Â* Makes me chuckle.





An act, eh? Doubtful. Although he certainly has you fooled. I don't
think he's playing stupid.

Has *me* fooled? Ha ha ha. Sorry pal but I've known him a lot longer
than you up front and personal like. It's an act for your benefit ...
and ours. But far be it from me to spoil your impressions and his fun.

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On 3/25/2018 11:31 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had
critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating
because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group
dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm
happy
the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they
needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a
liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to
say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota.
That’s a
laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all
they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical
with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking.
Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are
saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any
information as to what your "skills" or education level were until
*after* you received your induction notice.Â* *That* is when you took
tests and they considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam.Â* All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school
and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had
quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from
which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I
remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest
GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military
to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a
public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We
have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern
Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for
few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the
day
and at night.



I attended college for a while following high school however I was
young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid
"liberal arts" courses we all took.Â* So, I dropped out, much to my
parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler.

My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the
pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met
with
a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.Â* I didn't
join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the
draft board.Â* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to
ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure".

For me, it was not a bad choice.Â* As I often tell people I feel I got
more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit,
decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for
much of what I had to do to accomplish it.Â*Â* :-)




Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I
would
have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I
finished my
course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my
last
semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I
was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to
the photo darkroom. No discipline!Â* :)



Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO.Â* The military
teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate
19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life.Â* Not all
endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of
thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill.

Consider the attitudes of young people today.Â* I don't blame them but
they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or
otherwise, in today's culture.


Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through
college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera.


Sorry Harry but I just don't buy it. Your in-ability to accept what you
don't agree with or like is demonstrated daily in your posts here and
you are, what(?) in your 70's?

If you haven't learned by now, you never will.

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On 3/25/2018 12:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 11:31 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had
critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating
because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group
dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm
happy
the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they
needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a
liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to
say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota.
That’s a
laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all
they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction
physical
with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped
looking.
Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent
him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are
saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any
information as to what your "skills" or education level were until
*after* you received your induction notice.Â* *That* is when you took
tests and they considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam.Â* All they did
was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending
school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade
point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had
quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men
from
which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I
remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest
GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the
military
to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And
attending a
public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We
have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern
Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for
few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during
the day
and at night.



I attended college for a while following high school however I was
young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid
"liberal arts" courses we all took.Â* So, I dropped out, much to my
parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler.

My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the
pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met
with
a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.Â* I didn't
join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the
draft board.Â* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told
me to
ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure".

For me, it was not a bad choice.Â* As I often tell people I feel I got
more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit,
decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for
much of what I had to do to accomplish it.Â*Â* :-)




Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I
would
have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I
finished my
course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out
my last
semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot
redhead I
was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had
access to
the photo darkroom. No discipline!Â* :)



Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO.Â* The military
teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate
19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life.Â* Not all
endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of
thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill.

Consider the attitudes of young people today.Â* I don't blame them but
they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or
otherwise, in today's culture.


Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through
college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera.


Sorry Harry but I just don't buy it.Â* Your in-ability to accept what you
don't agree with or like is demonstrated daily in your posts here and
you are, what(?) in your 70's?

If you haven't learned by now, you never will.




BTW ... It's a little amusing to me that you think doing the studying
and research required to earn a degree is a demonstration of
"discipline". Maybe, but they are the basics that anyone with the
desire and motivation can accomplish. Believe me, if I could do it just
about anyone can. Millions do.

The discipline required in the military is very different and is more of
a preparation for dealing with non-academic issues both while serving
and later in that you would likely just choose to avoid.

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:00:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information
as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you
received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they
considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

As I said in Dec 69 the induction rate was 50% of those eligible.
(had their name in the drum).
It did seem clear that my buddy was targeted tho since they put him in
the computer program right out of boot camp and he was married with a
kid. Usually that pushed you down the list before the lottery. My
brother in law had 4 kids (adopted) and he was deferred because of it.

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:42:59 -0400, wrote:

On 25 Mar 2018 10:14:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.


Math is not your strength.

Correct me then without contradicting things you have said.
If you got a lottery number at 23, you could not have been born before
12/2/45, assuming you turned 24 the next day.
The first lottery number was issued 12/1/69
69-24=45.
You have alluded to being "a few" years younger than me so that means
43 or 44 is more likely. If it was 43 you did not get a number at all.


Math is not harreee's strength.

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:08:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2018 10:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?


VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS
IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY...

Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation.


DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS...

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of
U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS...

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class
backgrounds.
Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were
from middle income backgrounds.
Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial
or technical occupations.
79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or
better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets
and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.)
Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West --
29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.


Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office,
HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon
April 12, 1997

World History Center


It would be more interesting to see the numbers between 1968 and 73
when the draft was really running in high gear. Johnson really cranked
it up. For example in december 1969 the first draw, 195 birthdays were
drawn. That is 53% of all the numbers in the barrel. Assuming
birthdays are fairly equally spread out across the year that was more
than half of the eligible draftees. They did an alphabetical drawing
to determine the induction order of those drawn by birthday.
You know, they write this stuff down.



And none of it considered school status, educational background,
specific skills .... or anything. It was purely based on birthdays of
those who registered as required when they turned 18 years old.

The deferments, considerations for unique circumstances and needs
of the government came *after* you received an induction notice.


If you were actually registered II-s I don't think you got that notice
at all. Maybe your college friends just did not get properly
registered or their deferment was not renewed by the school.
I believe it was up to the schools to keep that status fresh. (hence
the "grade" thing). To be honest tho, I did not know anyone in school
in 3q1968. My high school buddies who went to college were out and
everyone else but my brother in law either were in uniform or carrying
a DD-214.
My Marine roomie was back in high school by then. That was
interesting. He finished his senior year as a Marine recon, combat
veteran going to a private school on the GI bill. Needless to say he
stood out a little.

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:17:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a
laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they
were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking.
Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information
as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you
received your induction notice.Â* *That* is when you took tests and they
considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam.Â* All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had
quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from
which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I
remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest
GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military
to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a
public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We
have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern
Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for
few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day
and at night.

I had a good GPA and I was in one of those programs but the pace was
too slow to keep me awake. The military offered me, in a year, what I
could expect to get in 4 in college and I never looked back.