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New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY... Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation. DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS... 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS... 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.) Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West -- 29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%. Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office, HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon April 12, 1997 World History Center |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? ——- ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? “. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.” |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/24/18 7:53 PM, Tim wrote:
6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? ——- ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? “. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.” If you were any duller, timmy, you could change your name to "beige." Your assumption that I "sought refuge" in college is absurd. It never occurred to me in my high school days to consider military instead of college. The war against the SE Asians was immoral. It was a disgusting horror we perpetrated on the world. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
9:14 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - If you were any duller, timmy, you could change your name to "beige." Your assumption that I "sought refuge" in college is absurd. It never occurred to me in my high school days to consider military instead of college. The war against the SE Asians was immoral. It was a disgusting horror we perpetrated on the world. .... It still didn’t stop you from ommiting your cut n paste of the article did it Harry. Besides, I guess I’m dull enough to captivate your attention for a response. And BTW, i’m Far from being “beige”. Just ask John Herring. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY... Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation. DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS... 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS... 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.) Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West -- 29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%. Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office, HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon April 12, 1997 World History Center It would be more interesting to see the numbers between 1968 and 73 when the draft was really running in high gear. Johnson really cranked it up. For example in december 1969 the first draw, 195 birthdays were drawn. That is 53% of all the numbers in the barrel. Assuming birthdays are fairly equally spread out across the year that was more than half of the eligible draftees. They did an alphabetical drawing to determine the induction order of those drawn by birthday. You know, they write this stuff down. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: 6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? ——- ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? “. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.” Yeah that number includes everyone with a deferment |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". My wife’s best childhood friend married a West Point grad. The military sent him to the Sorbonne for French and the defense language institute for Vietnamese. Language specialist. Maybe they figured your grasp of Russian and German would only be good for writing simple jingles. Or the fat disqualified you. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
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On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. I do not think harry is that old. I was born in 1943, and got a draft notice. Lottery only applied to 1944 and younger. I count as an enlisted soldier as I knew there was a draft notice with my name out there. Mom had moved and they sent it to old address. I was in NCR school when I took the draft physical, but got extended for,my re training so they lost track of me. When I contact3d draft board I had until April induction call to join service I wanted. |
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