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New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 9:17:08 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? ——- ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? “. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.” So like Harry to quote only part of an article. He wouldn't want to undermine his argument with a cut-n-paste, or expose one of the real reasons he didn't get drafted. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:11:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/25/2018 1:54 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". My wifes best childhood friend married a West Point grad. The military sent him to the Sorbonne for French and the defense language institute for Vietnamese. Language specialist. Maybe they figured your grasp of Russian and German would only be good for writing simple jingles. Or the fat disqualified you. The draft board would have absolutely no knowledge of Harry's grasp of Russian or German ... or anything else for that matter. In those days you were just a name with a number who had registered for the draft when you turned 18. You're right, of course. The Selective Service system had no idea of any expertise I may have had. All the tests and assignments thereafter were done at Ft. Leonard Wood where I underwent Basic Training. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:23:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. You looked in a mirror lately, oh omniscient one? |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or * numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, * liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline! :) Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO. The military teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life. Not all endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill. Consider the attitudes of young people today. I don't blame them but they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or otherwise, in today's culture. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or * numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, * liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late Stephen Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher. How could you possibly know? Your only input is what you read here and it's an act. It's ok though. Makes me chuckle. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/18 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or ** numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, ** liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late Stephen Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher. How could you possibly know?* Your only input is what you read here and it's an act. It's ok though.* Makes me chuckle. An act, eh? Doubtful. Although he certainly has you fooled. I don't think he's playing stupid. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Thanks for your concern, but your recommendation goes directly to the round file to keep company with your neverending contributions of bull****. Surely that 3rd rate college you attended must have taught you something of value. It's a shame you don't show it off. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. After attending the lowest ranked high school in Connecticut, it's a miricle that you were able to buy your way into any college. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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