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Lapierre
On 2/23/18 4:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 3:29 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area.Â* All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering.Â* I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school.Â* I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors.Â* I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door.Â* It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing.Â* No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. Like I said, I think the locked doors and windows were to keep the students from leaving, not to keep intruders from getting in. Some of those sweet girls at Amity were dangerous. At least three of them stole my heart. |
Lapierre
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 5:01:38 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/23/18 4:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:29 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in.. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area.Â* All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering.Â* I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school.Â* I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors.Â* I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door.Â* It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing.Â* No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. Like I said, I think the locked doors and windows were to keep the students from leaving, not to keep intruders from getting in. Some of those sweet girls at Amity were dangerous. At least three of them stole my heart. You are heartless. |
Lapierre
On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:21:25 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. My high school had 2000 students and lots of entrances and exits. Different attitude in the 50’s about kids and anger. Was fistfights, wrestling battles. High school in the 50's? Wow. You really are an old fart. :-) ~~ Snerk ~~ |
Lapierre
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. My high school had 2000 students and lots of entrances and exits. Different attitude in the 50’s about kids and anger. Was fistfights, wrestling battles. High school in the 50's? Wow. You really are an old fart. :-) 75 next month. I graduated in 1961. Which was really the last of the 50’s generation according to my HS principal. He said that at one of the reunions. |
Lapierre
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Lapierre
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:08:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:36 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Guess it depends where you lived. We aren't that different in ages I don't think. The schools here have been locked down for 30 years. We used to have equipment in there when I was working for IBM and it was as hard to get in a school as it was to get into some of our DoD accounts in DC. You had to go through the office and have someone there who put your name on the list. Picture ID, search your tools etc. In those days it was a drug thing. |
Lapierre
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:29:37 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. I wasn't in a public school and we were pretty much out with the general population of DC, going to school on public transportation, ate in restaurants or bars and not really having that "home room to final bell" mentality. If you didn't have a class, you could leave. They really didn't even call roll in class. Your parents were paying but if you didn't show up they did not care. When you flunk, explain that at home. We also made up our own schedules. You could sign up for any classes you wanted, in pretty much any order. You just had to punch all the boxes to graduate. It was more like most people's college experience than high school. |
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