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Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. |
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On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted." :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. |
Lapierre
On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? |
Lapierre
On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. |
Lapierre
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. .... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html |
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On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze - show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. ... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:19:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted." :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. That begs the question, what are they doing with the $15-20k a year we are spending per kid. |
Lapierre
11:34 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. ...... It’s already a one way gun fight, Harry. It might be a bit better than throwing books and staple guns back at the perp. |
Lapierre
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. |
Lapierre
On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote: Keyser Soze - show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. ... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today. He's coming down hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors, ex-military etc. to create an "offensive" defense. He praises the NRA although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today. It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do something about school mass shootings. |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:27:09 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: 11:34 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. ..... It’s already a one way gun fight, Harry. It might be a bit better than throwing books and staple guns back at the perp. Actually if they had one of these under every desk a shooter might look for a softer target. Imagine 160 of these babies from 40 kids coming at your head in 10-20 seconds. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Active%20sh...onse%20kit.jpg It would be like the "stoning scene" in the life of brian. |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:27:09 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: 11:34 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. ..... It’s already a one way gun fight, Harry. It might be a bit better than throwing books and staple guns back at the perp. Actually if they had one of these under every desk a shooter might look for a softer target. Imagine 160 of these babies from 40 kids coming at your head in 10-20 seconds. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Active%20sh...onse%20kit.jpg It would be like the "stoning scene" in the life of brian. Maybe if the kids and teachers were armed like Harry’s picture, Boko Haram and school shooters would have a hard, short life. |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote: Keyser Soze - show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. ... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today. He's coming down hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors, ex-military etc. to create an "offensive" defense. He praises the NRA although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today. It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do something about school mass shootings. Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher shooting a bunch of kids (not that they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be armed - secretly, of course. |
Lapierre
On 2/22/2018 4:47 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote: Keyser Soze - show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. ... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today. He's coming down hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors, ex-military etc. to create an "offensive" defense. He praises the NRA although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today. It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do something about school mass shootings. Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher shooting a bunch of kids (not that they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be armed - secretly, of course. Given the lack of any other serious options, I have no problem with his proposal. At least something would be tried. |
Lapierre
On 2/22/18 5:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 4:47 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote: Keyser Soze - show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. ... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today.Â* He's coming down hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors, ex-military etc. to create an "offensive"Â* defense.Â*Â* He praises the NRA although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today. It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do something about school mass shootings. Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher shooting a bunch of kids (not that they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be armed - secretly, of course. Given the lack of any other serious options, I have no problem with his proposal.Â* At least something would be tried. Yes, the NRA would love to see more firearms sold, more ammo sold, more firearms in the hands of more people (teachers) and, hell, if a school is still shot up, well, there weren't enough armed teachers at that school, eh? The NRA is not offering a "serious" option. |
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On 2/22/2018 5:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 5:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 4:47 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote: Keyser Soze - show quoted text - While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. ... Really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants. Wonderful. Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today.Â* He's coming down hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors, ex-military etc. to create an "offensive"Â* defense.Â*Â* He praises the NRA although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today. It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do something about school mass shootings. Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher shooting a bunch of kids (not that they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be armed - secretly, of course. Given the lack of any other serious options, I have no problem with his proposal.Â* At least something would be tried. Yes, the NRA would love to see more firearms sold, more ammo sold, more firearms in the hands of more people (teachers) and, hell, if a school is still shot up, well, there weren't enough armed teachers at that school, eh? The NRA is not offering a "serious" option. No serious options are being offered. Even you acknowledged that the mental health and reporting avenue is too "complex" to address in a reasonable period of time. Gun lovers won't stand for any kind of restrictions of their rights. Politicians (even those of your party) won't touch the subject with a ten foot pole. Lots of talk, then it dies down until the next mass shooting. Given the lack of viable, timely and effective options, the best I've heard so far is reducing the response time from 5 to 10 minutes to less than a minute. If that means training and arming volunteer teachers and school administrators, it's better than nothing. Nobody should be forced or required to be armed. Perhaps volunteer ex-law enforcement or qualified and well screened ex-military could add to the protection on a part-time, rotating basis. There are risks of course. The arriving police may mistake an armed teacher as a "bad" guy. Maybe some form of easily and quickly identity confirmation could be conceived. Not ideal, but better than nothing for now. |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:45:48 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:42:00 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. Or someone could have opened a side door for him at a pre-selected time. That person should be charged with murder too if that is what happened. There is video in these schools so we should know that by now. That is really the easiest way to "harden" the schools anyway. Just increase the number of cameras and be able to isolate a shooter with doors that can be closed and locked remotely. That along with notification systems would do more than armed guards. If they can monitor the shooter from a central location and send the video to the cops along with exactly where the guy is, taking him will be a lot easier. If the teachers know immediately to lock the classroom door and get everyone behind the safe line (an area that can't be seen from the hall), they can just hunker down and wait. |
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On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 8:38:47 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. The main building of the high school I attended in SC back in the 70's was shaped like an "H". There were at least 4 doors that were unlocked all day and you could come and go through any of them. The ones at the ends of the H had no windows directly facing them and couldn't easily be seen by any teacher or the office. For a little while early in my freshman year, I was dropped off at school early in the morning before very many students or teachers were there. I walked up from the parking lot and entered through one of those doors. I freely roamed the halls, put my books in my locker, and wandered back outside to wait on my friends. Little doubt that things are very different today. |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:55:42 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 8:38:47 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."** :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. The main building of the high school I attended in SC back in the 70's was shaped like an "H". There were at least 4 doors that were unlocked all day and you could come and go through any of them. The ones at the ends of the H had no windows directly facing them and couldn't easily be seen by any teacher or the office. For a little while early in my freshman year, I was dropped off at school early in the morning before very many students or teachers were there. I walked up from the parking lot and entered through one of those doors. I freely roamed the halls, put my books in my locker, and wandered back outside to wait on my friends. Little doubt that things are very different today. Maybe not in your school, but here they are much different. Even in the little elementary school a couple blocks down the road the doors are all locked. No entry except through the main door after being viewed by the secretary and stating your business. Now that same school has a facial recognition system for parents, teachers, etc that frequently go into the school. I just found out about that yesterday. Next door neighbor has two kids going to that school. |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. |
Lapierre
On 2/23/2018 12:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Guess it depends where you lived. We aren't that different in ages I don't think. |
Lapierre
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. My high school had 2000 students and lots of entrances and exits. Different attitude in the 50’s about kids and anger. Was fistfights, wrestling battles. |
Lapierre
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. My high school had 2000 students and lots of entrances and exits. Different attitude in the 50’s about kids and anger. Was fistfights, wrestling battles. High school in the 50's? Wow. You really are an old fart. :-) |
Lapierre
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."** :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. |
Lapierre
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:55:42 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 8:38:47 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. The main building of the high school I attended in SC back in the 70's was shaped like an "H". There were at least 4 doors that were unlocked all day and you could come and go through any of them. The ones at the ends of the H had no windows directly facing them and couldn't easily be seen by any teacher or the office. For a little while early in my freshman year, I was dropped off at school early in the morning before very many students or teachers were there. I walked up from the parking lot and entered through one of those doors. I freely roamed the halls, put my books in my locker, and wandered back outside to wait on my friends. Little doubt that things are very different today. Maybe not in your school, but here they are much different. Even in the little elementary school a couple blocks down the road the doors are all locked. No entry except through the main door after being viewed by the secretary and stating your business. You didn't read to the end, did you? "Little doubt that things are very different today." Nearly 20 years ago when my son was still in school here in SC, things had already changed. |
Lapierre
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:25:41 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-5, John H wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:55:42 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 8:38:47 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."** :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. The main building of the high school I attended in SC back in the 70's was shaped like an "H". There were at least 4 doors that were unlocked all day and you could come and go through any of them. The ones at the ends of the H had no windows directly facing them and couldn't easily be seen by any teacher or the office. For a little while early in my freshman year, I was dropped off at school early in the morning before very many students or teachers were there. I walked up from the parking lot and entered through one of those doors. I freely roamed the halls, put my books in my locker, and wandered back outside to wait on my friends. Little doubt that things are very different today. Maybe not in your school, but here they are much different. Even in the little elementary school a couple blocks down the road the doors are all locked. No entry except through the main door after being viewed by the secretary and stating your business. You didn't read to the end, did you? "Little doubt that things are very different today." Nearly 20 years ago when my son was still in school here in SC, things had already changed. Yes I did. I took that to mean you doubted anything had changed. All in perception. |
Lapierre
On 2/23/2018 3:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. Like I said, I think the locked doors and windows were to keep the students from leaving, not to keep intruders from getting in. |
Lapierre
On 2/23/18 4:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 3:29 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area.Â* All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering.Â* I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school.Â* I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors.Â* I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door.Â* It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing.Â* No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. Like I said, I think the locked doors and windows were to keep the students from leaving, not to keep intruders from getting in. Some of those sweet girls at Amity were dangerous. At least three of them stole my heart. |
Lapierre
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 5:01:38 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/23/18 4:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:29 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in.. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area.Â* All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering.Â* I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school.Â* I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors.Â* I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door.Â* It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing.Â* No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. Like I said, I think the locked doors and windows were to keep the students from leaving, not to keep intruders from getting in. Some of those sweet girls at Amity were dangerous. At least three of them stole my heart. You are heartless. |
Lapierre
On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:21:25 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. My high school had 2000 students and lots of entrances and exits. Different attitude in the 50’s about kids and anger. Was fistfights, wrestling battles. High school in the 50's? Wow. You really are an old fart. :-) ~~ Snerk ~~ |
Lapierre
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. My high school had 2000 students and lots of entrances and exits. Different attitude in the 50’s about kids and anger. Was fistfights, wrestling battles. High school in the 50's? Wow. You really are an old fart. :-) 75 next month. I graduated in 1961. Which was really the last of the 50’s generation according to my HS principal. He said that at one of the reunions. |
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Lapierre
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:08:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:36 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:38:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC. Guy is really screwed up, IMO. He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."Â*Â* :) Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with pencils and paper. I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so divided and so earnestly defended. Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the times position to take? While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers, churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings. I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a rifle. Either are possible I suppose. I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not the next one. The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue. The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person. All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of my knowledge, it didn't happen back then. My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and I donated the shotgun to the club. The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me. I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Guess it depends where you lived. We aren't that different in ages I don't think. The schools here have been locked down for 30 years. We used to have equipment in there when I was working for IBM and it was as hard to get in a school as it was to get into some of our DoD accounts in DC. You had to go through the office and have someone there who put your name on the list. Picture ID, search your tools etc. In those days it was a drug thing. |
Lapierre
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:29:37 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:36:25 -0500, wrote: I was never in a school with locked doors but that was a different time. My high school was in a building open to the public in the 1700 block of G street NW DC. We had a number of ways to get in and out either to G street or the alley in back. Obviously, DC wasn't nearly as dangerous as Amity, CT, 50 years ago. I wasn't in a public school and we were pretty much out with the general population of DC, going to school on public transportation, ate in restaurants or bars and not really having that "home room to final bell" mentality. If you didn't have a class, you could leave. They really didn't even call roll in class. Your parents were paying but if you didn't show up they did not care. When you flunk, explain that at home. We also made up our own schedules. You could sign up for any classes you wanted, in pretty much any order. You just had to punch all the boxes to graduate. It was more like most people's college experience than high school. |
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