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Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. I have suggested raising the minimum age requirement for the purchase of 'military style' weapons. As far as I know, the school shooters have all been young. Raising the minimum age to 25 or 30 could very well slow down the buying by young folks. You skip over that for some reason. You think it's a stupid idea or what? |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:50:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2018 1:37 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. Not now-a-days anyway. 50 or 60 years ago it may have been common in certain sections of the country where hunting and varmint shooting was a daily occurrence. Back then then the concept of a school mass shooting never entered anyone's minds, parents or kids. Those areas today are fully integrated into instant news and influences thanks to the Internet, Smart phones and Social Media. Times change. Thank you. I didn't think my parents were dysfunctional. I suppose I am dysfunctional for giving a grandson a Henry .22 upon the attainment of his Eagle Scout. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/23/2018 3:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. I have suggested raising the minimum age requirement for the purchase of 'military style' weapons. As far as I know, the school shooters have all been young. Raising the minimum age to 25 or 30 could very well slow down the buying by young folks. You skip over that for some reason. You think it's a stupid idea or what? Not at all. I agree with you 100%. I think it should be 21 for *all* firearms. Don't know if 25 or 30 would fly legally since it's just an arbitrary age. I agree with the comment by many of the teenaged students involved in the Florida shootings. If you aren't old enough at 18 to buy beer, you shouldn't be old enough to buy an AR-15. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:50:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 1:37 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. Not now-a-days anyway. 50 or 60 years ago it may have been common in certain sections of the country where hunting and varmint shooting was a daily occurrence. Back then then the concept of a school mass shooting never entered anyone's minds, parents or kids. Those areas today are fully integrated into instant news and influences thanks to the Internet, Smart phones and Social Media. Times change. Thank you. I didn't think my parents were dysfunctional. I suppose I am dysfunctional for giving a grandson a Henry .22 upon the attainment of his Eagle Scout. No. Given your background and accomplishments I think you're a better judge of character and maturity than the government and politicians are. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:28:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2018 3:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. I have suggested raising the minimum age requirement for the purchase of 'military style' weapons. As far as I know, the school shooters have all been young. Raising the minimum age to 25 or 30 could very well slow down the buying by young folks. You skip over that for some reason. You think it's a stupid idea or what? Not at all. I agree with you 100%. I think it should be 21 for *all* firearms. Don't know if 25 or 30 would fly legally since it's just an arbitrary age. I agree with the comment by many of the teenaged students involved in the Florida shootings. If you aren't old enough at 18 to buy beer, you shouldn't be old enough to buy an AR-15. At least 21 would be good. I think the shooter at Virginia Tech was 21, but most of them, that I can find data on, were under 21. Seems like that would be a no brainer. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. I was referring to Boston's murder rate, higher than New York or Los Angeles, even with the very strict gun laws in the state. It's not the 'legally purchased' firearms that are causing that, I don't think. Folks who follow all the gun laws don't do the shooting. Wonder how many of the other than gang shootings were done by owners of legally acquired firearms. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/23/2018 5:19 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. I was referring to Boston's murder rate, higher than New York or Los Angeles, even with the very strict gun laws in the state. It's not the 'legally purchased' firearms that are causing that, I don't think. Folks who follow all the gun laws don't do the shooting. Wonder how many of the other than gang shootings were done by owners of legally acquired firearms. Gun laws obviously vary state to state. I think New York's gun laws (and maybe Los Angeles) are stiffer in some respects than in Massachusetts. MA has a long list of banned firearms but it's not difficult to obtain a license and the laws governing storage, transport, etc. are no more restrictive than anywhere else. The only real complaint I have is that MA does not recognize any other state permits, so few recognize ours. I'd like to see that change. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 4:28:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 3:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. I have suggested raising the minimum age requirement for the purchase of 'military style' weapons. As far as I know, the school shooters have all been young. Raising the minimum age to 25 or 30 could very well slow down the buying by young folks. You skip over that for some reason. You think it's a stupid idea or what? Not at all. I agree with you 100%. I think it should be 21 for *all* firearms. Don't know if 25 or 30 would fly legally since it's just an arbitrary age. I agree with the comment by many of the teenaged students involved in the Florida shootings. If you aren't old enough at 18 to buy beer, you shouldn't be old enough to buy an AR-15. The biggest problem I have with that is that at 18, you're old enough to be tried as an adult and to die for your country. However, you can't buy a beer or a gun? Uncle Sam can give you one to hold when you're dead. It seems disconnected to me. I do realize that the 18 year olds that are in the armed services are far more mature than some kid living in his parent's basement, or going to college on mom and dad's dime. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:11:50 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. Sure they could. M1, M1 carbine. Bunch of enfields. My buddy bought a 303 English army rifle in high school. Was about $15. Only problem was finding ammo. Was just a different configuration of semi auto rifle. Most places you can not buy a Military grade rifle as hey are select fire. All the others are cosmetic. I shot my dad’s Browning Semi Auto 12guage duck hunting at 14 years old. I shot handguns as a young kid (under 10 years old) in my Grandfather's range he had in his basement. He was a gun nut of sorts and had some beautiful and somewhat rare firearms. But it was always under constant, close supervision by him and my dad (who was not so much of a gun nut). I was supposed to inherit a Swedish, bolt action Mauser carbine and an authentic WWI German Luger when I was older but my father made sure that never happened. I just didn't grow up with my parents saying, "Why don't you go out and play with your .22 rifle" just to get me out of their hair. It was bad enough when (in the middle of the summer) they finally caught me going outside with a winter coat, knit hat and carrying swimming googles. They weren't aware of the BB gun fights a bunch of us had. Yeah but...if The John didn't go out to rassle up some vittles for supper, the family would go to bed hungry. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:56:33 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:50:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 1:37 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. Not now-a-days anyway. 50 or 60 years ago it may have been common in certain sections of the country where hunting and varmint shooting was a daily occurrence. Back then then the concept of a school mass shooting never entered anyone's minds, parents or kids. Those areas today are fully integrated into instant news and influences thanks to the Internet, Smart phones and Social Media. Times change. Thank you. I didn't think my parents were dysfunctional. I suppose I am dysfunctional for giving a grandson a Henry .22 upon the attainment of his Eagle Scout. Very good..as Dr Phil says, the first step is to acknowledge your problem. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:56:33 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:50:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 1:37 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. Not now-a-days anyway. 50 or 60 years ago it may have been common in certain sections of the country where hunting and varmint shooting was a daily occurrence. Back then then the concept of a school mass shooting never entered anyone's minds, parents or kids. Those areas today are fully integrated into instant news and influences thanks to the Internet, Smart phones and Social Media. Times change. Thank you. I didn't think my parents were dysfunctional. I suppose I am dysfunctional for giving a grandson a Henry .22 upon the attainment of his Eagle Scout. Very good..as Dr Phil says, the first step is to acknowledge your problem. So you believe everything Dr.Phil *and* boat salespeople have to say? I'm sure you overpaid for your Toyota, too. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
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On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:11:50 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. Sure they could. M1, M1 carbine. Bunch of enfields. My buddy bought a 303 English army rifle in high school. Was about $15. Only problem was finding ammo. Was just a different configuration of semi auto rifle. Most places you can not buy a Military grade rifle as hey are select fire. All the others are cosmetic. I shot my dad?s Browning Semi Auto 12guage duck hunting at 14 years old. I shot handguns as a young kid (under 10 years old) in my Grandfather's range he had in his basement. He was a gun nut of sorts and had some beautiful and somewhat rare firearms. But it was always under constant, close supervision by him and my dad (who was not so much of a gun nut). I was supposed to inherit a Swedish, bolt action Mauser carbine and an authentic WWI German Luger when I was older but my father made sure that never happened. I just didn't grow up with my parents saying, "Why don't you go out and play with your .22 rifle" just to get me out of their hair. It was bad enough when (in the middle of the summer) they finally caught me going outside with a winter coat, knit hat and carrying swimming googles. They weren't aware of the BB gun fights a bunch of us had. Yeah but...if The John didn't go out to rassle up some vittles for supper, the family would go to bed hungry. I wonder what Dr Phil would say about your incoherant drivel? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. We did not a problem for years with kids and 22s. Was also required to take a hunter safety course if you wanted a hunting license. Now, the kids get their firearm training from action computer games, such as Grand Theft auto. I have a Sony PS4 that I bought for winter entertainment mostly for sports games like the "Madden Football series and some golf games. I also tried and liked the "Uncharted" series and the Laura Croff "Tomb Raider" series. I bought a couple of those "Modern Warfare" games to try. Didn't care for them at all although they are big hits with kids. Too gory, with constant killing of people with modern weapons. Some of the stuff is very realistic. I can see why young people can become desensitized to blood, guts and killing. Very true. He B westerns of my youth had people killed. But not gory. Now it is a slow motion view of blood and guts. Both removes imagination from movies and desensitized people. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. I guess you never went to Ye Olde Hunter in Alexandria. They specialized in old military rifles. Granted most were bolt action because that was what most militaries had but you could also buy an M1 carbine with 20 and 30 round magazines if you had the money or any number of SA pistols, pretty cheap. I was 19 when I bought my 34 Barretta for $40 and I walked out the door with it. Same with a .38 super 1911. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:07:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:31 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. We aren't talking about the range tho are we. It doesn't matter where you are. Cops catch you out "hunting" or shooting in the woods with a magazine in excess of 10 round capacity you will loose it, the gun and your permit to have one. That is just you and maybe Bill. Even the formally Free State of Maryland, Harry can have a 50 round magazine that he bought in Virginia. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:35:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/23/18 12:32 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:27:11 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 8:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts.Â* If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. My current CZ 512 has five or 10 round detachable mags, as did my previous CZ bolt action rifle. I believe the bolt action Ruger precision rifles are limited to 10-round mags. Are you saying I can't find a bigger magazine for either of them? I don't know whether one can find larger than 10-round mags for the CZ .22LR rifles. I've owned 2 different models, and I never saw any mags, even third party mags, larger than 10 rounds for either. CZ offered five round and 10 mags, the same mags, for various models of its .22LR rifles. Now, there are larger mags available for my CZ Scorpion...there's at least one third party 50 round drum mag. It doesn't interest me. I assume shooting a lot of people doesn't interest you either but we were talking about someone who might. Your Scorpion would be perfectly suitable for that so Richard would have to ban that one too. It is certainly "military looking" enough to qualify. I would not be surprised if CZ has a military model with a selector and a shorter barrel, maybe folding stock but that is just a guess. I have never been interested enough in something like that to look. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:37:27 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. We could hunt in Maryland, unaccompanied at 14 or 15. I have a M69 Winchester .22 and a single bbl 12 ga |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 19:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Lots of weapons do not have enough call to manufacture extended magazines. ARs do. You just live in a place where they are illegal. It is pretty hard to find SAs these days that somebody is not selling a high cap magazine for. You are right that there may be some obscure ones but not that many. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:11:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: I just didn't grow up with my parents saying, "Why don't you go out and play with your .22 rifle" just to get me out of their hair. It was bad enough when (in the middle of the summer) they finally caught me going outside with a winter coat, knit hat and carrying swimming googles. They weren't aware of the BB gun fights a bunch of us had. See that must be a northern thing. I never heard of anyone shooting at someone else with a BB gun when we were growing up. It was still a gun and we were taught to not even point it at someone. My father would have stomped a mud hole in my ass if he saw me point a cap gun at someone. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:21:07 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:30:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Then a bit of parent's time in jail won't hurt the kids. The word would get around, I think. If you are talking about the kids in those cities, their father is already in jail and mom may be too. (dead, addicted or just in the wind) |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:25:12 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:32:33 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:27:11 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 8:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts.Â* If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. My current CZ 512 has five or 10 round detachable mags, as did my previous CZ bolt action rifle. I believe the bolt action Ruger precision rifles are limited to 10-round mags. Are you saying I can't find a bigger magazine for either of them? Hell, that didn't even take me long: https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/prod...06703120201.do That is OEM too, not even a 3d party. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:37:30 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. I had my own .22 Marlin at age 10 and bought my own .357 when i was 15. Guess my parents really screwed up. |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:19:14 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. I was referring to Boston's murder rate, higher than New York or Los Angeles, even with the very strict gun laws in the state. It's not the 'legally purchased' firearms that are causing that, I don't think. Folks who follow all the gun laws don't do the shooting. Wonder how many of the other than gang shootings were done by owners of legally acquired firearms. These people are in the business of selling illegal drugs that they have no problem finding. Why would it be hard to find illegal guns? In fact I bet a lot of street level drug deals are trading drugs for stolen guns. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:54:40 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 4:28:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. I have suggested raising the minimum age requirement for the purchase of 'military style' weapons. As far as I know, the school shooters have all been young. Raising the minimum age to 25 or 30 could very well slow down the buying by young folks. You skip over that for some reason. You think it's a stupid idea or what? Not at all. I agree with you 100%. I think it should be 21 for *all* firearms. Don't know if 25 or 30 would fly legally since it's just an arbitrary age. I agree with the comment by many of the teenaged students involved in the Florida shootings. If you aren't old enough at 18 to buy beer, you shouldn't be old enough to buy an AR-15. The biggest problem I have with that is that at 18, you're old enough to be tried as an adult and to die for your country. However, you can't buy a beer or a gun? Uncle Sam can give you one to hold when you're dead. It seems disconnected to me. I do realize that the 18 year olds that are in the armed services are far more mature than some kid living in his parent's basement, or going to college on mom and dad's dime. I've still no problem with 21 years old, for a military style weapon. Yes, they can serve in the armed forces at 18, but they get a gun and bullets only after a lot of training. And they're sent to face an enemy only after a whole lot more training. I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:13:37 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:11:50 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. Sure they could. M1, M1 carbine. Bunch of enfields. My buddy bought a 303 English army rifle in high school. Was about $15. Only problem was finding ammo. Was just a different configuration of semi auto rifle. Most places you can not buy a Military grade rifle as hey are select fire. All the others are cosmetic. I shot my dad’s Browning Semi Auto 12guage duck hunting at 14 years old. I shot handguns as a young kid (under 10 years old) in my Grandfather's range he had in his basement. He was a gun nut of sorts and had some beautiful and somewhat rare firearms. But it was always under constant, close supervision by him and my dad (who was not so much of a gun nut). I was supposed to inherit a Swedish, bolt action Mauser carbine and an authentic WWI German Luger when I was older but my father made sure that never happened. I just didn't grow up with my parents saying, "Why don't you go out and play with your .22 rifle" just to get me out of their hair. It was bad enough when (in the middle of the summer) they finally caught me going outside with a winter coat, knit hat and carrying swimming googles. They weren't aware of the BB gun fights a bunch of us had. Yeah but...if The John didn't go out to rassle up some vittles for supper, the family would go to bed hungry. No, my mother baked bread. We'd always have some bread and peanut butter to fall back on. I'm sure the idea that rabbit, squirrel, and catfish played a big part in a family's diet is foreign to you. But some of our parents didn't have the money your folks had. And you know what? Out of the five boys, not one grew up to be a janitor for the Canadian government. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:13:43 -0500, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:56:33 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:50:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 1:37 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. Not now-a-days anyway. 50 or 60 years ago it may have been common in certain sections of the country where hunting and varmint shooting was a daily occurrence. Back then then the concept of a school mass shooting never entered anyone's minds, parents or kids. Those areas today are fully integrated into instant news and influences thanks to the Internet, Smart phones and Social Media. Times change. Thank you. I didn't think my parents were dysfunctional. I suppose I am dysfunctional for giving a grandson a Henry .22 upon the attainment of his Eagle Scout. Very good..as Dr Phil says, the first step is to acknowledge your problem. So you believe everything Dr.Phil *and* boat salespeople have to say? I'm sure you overpaid for your Toyota, too. The boy has been an ardent follower of Dr. Phil for many years. Probably has pictures of Rosie on his bedroom walls also. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
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Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:29:12 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:21:07 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:30:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Then a bit of parent's time in jail won't hurt the kids. The word would get around, I think. If you are talking about the kids in those cities, their father is already in jail and mom may be too. (dead, addicted or just in the wind) Yeah, I know. I'm talking about the deviant kids who've been shooting up schools with firearms they should not have had access to. And, if DC is indicative, most of those kids don't know who their father is. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:33:07 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:37:30 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. I had my own .22 Marlin at age 10 and bought my own .357 when i was 15. Guess my parents really screwed up. Damn, you were lucky. I didn't get my Marlin 'til I was 12 or 13. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:05:25 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:19:14 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. I was referring to Boston's murder rate, higher than New York or Los Angeles, even with the very strict gun laws in the state. It's not the 'legally purchased' firearms that are causing that, I don't think. Folks who follow all the gun laws don't do the shooting. Wonder how many of the other than gang shootings were done by owners of legally acquired firearms. These people are in the business of selling illegal drugs that they have no problem finding. Why would it be hard to find illegal guns? In fact I bet a lot of street level drug deals are trading drugs for stolen guns. We're not talking about 'illegal' guns. We're talking about gun control laws. Those apply to the law abiding, not the drug and illegal gun dealers. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/24/2018 7:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:13:43 -0500, Alex wrote: True North wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:56:33 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:50:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 1:37 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/23/18 12:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:14:35 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:42:07 -0500, wrote: Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you? There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago.. That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around with them. To the liberals, those don't count, remember. You made a good point. If the parents OK it, who's going to stop them. Perhaps we need to see some much stronger action taken against parents whose kids have access to the guns and use them illegally. Most of those kids don't have functional parents Any parent who gives a functioning .22LR Rifle to a little kid, one less than 16 at a minimum, is not a functional parent. Not now-a-days anyway. 50 or 60 years ago it may have been common in certain sections of the country where hunting and varmint shooting was a daily occurrence. Back then then the concept of a school mass shooting never entered anyone's minds, parents or kids. Those areas today are fully integrated into instant news and influences thanks to the Internet, Smart phones and Social Media. Times change. Thank you. I didn't think my parents were dysfunctional. I suppose I am dysfunctional for giving a grandson a Henry .22 upon the attainment of his Eagle Scout. Very good..as Dr Phil says, the first step is to acknowledge your problem. So you believe everything Dr.Phil *and* boat salespeople have to say? I'm sure you overpaid for your Toyota, too. The boy has been an ardent follower of Dr. Phil for many years. Probably has pictures of Rosie on his bedroom walls also. with Fat Harry and Dr. Phil as his mentors, there's no wondering why he is the way he is. Poor boy. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/24/2018 7:21 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:13:37 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:11:50 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 2:23 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:21 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:24:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 10:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a 15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her parent's permission. If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at any age? Who is going to stop them? I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22 for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold ammo at the 7-11. Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns. That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that. In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county. Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210 but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there, pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland. The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel down there right now. There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land. I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no. === I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or involved in any gun related incident. Did your friends have AR-15s and have a Rambo mindset? Now you have changed the subject then haven't you? You went from "no minor should ever have anything but a BB gun" to assuming we want our kid to have an AR. That being said, I am sure out west where it is relatively safe to shoot one, there are teenagers with ARs. They would usually start with a .22rf and demonstrate that they are safe and knowledgable first but there are plenty of people out in flyover country who understand a gun is a tool. How have I changed the subject? My point was that you really can't compare what was common 50 years ago to today. AR-15s had not been invented that I know of and I don't think a teenager could run down to the local gun store back then and buy a rifle designed for the military back then. Sure they could. M1, M1 carbine. Bunch of enfields. My buddy bought a 303 English army rifle in high school. Was about $15. Only problem was finding ammo. Was just a different configuration of semi auto rifle. Most places you can not buy a Military grade rifle as hey are select fire. All the others are cosmetic. I shot my dad’s Browning Semi Auto 12guage duck hunting at 14 years old. I shot handguns as a young kid (under 10 years old) in my Grandfather's range he had in his basement. He was a gun nut of sorts and had some beautiful and somewhat rare firearms. But it was always under constant, close supervision by him and my dad (who was not so much of a gun nut). I was supposed to inherit a Swedish, bolt action Mauser carbine and an authentic WWI German Luger when I was older but my father made sure that never happened. I just didn't grow up with my parents saying, "Why don't you go out and play with your .22 rifle" just to get me out of their hair. It was bad enough when (in the middle of the summer) they finally caught me going outside with a winter coat, knit hat and carrying swimming googles. They weren't aware of the BB gun fights a bunch of us had. Yeah but...if The John didn't go out to rassle up some vittles for supper, the family would go to bed hungry. No, my mother baked bread. We'd always have some bread and peanut butter to fall back on. I'm sure the idea that rabbit, squirrel, and catfish played a big part in a family's diet is foreign to you. But some of our parents didn't have the money your folks had. And you know what? Out of the five boys, not one grew up to be a janitor for the Canadian government. Donnie's sustenance was baby seal, which was plentiful in them thar parts. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:17:42 -0500, John H.
wrote: I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge I would grant that exception to anything that has an age limit on it. |
Kids Say the Darndest Things
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:50:48 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:05:25 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:19:14 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:56:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 3:34 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:58:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. Even with laws as strict as they are in MA, Boston didn't have a very good year in 2017. http://www.fox25boston.com/news/teen...2017/672133630 "In 2017, Boston is on track to have a murder rate of 8.7 per 100,000 people, compared to the estimated rates of 3.3 per 100,000 in New York City and 6.8 per 100,000 in Los Angeles, according to the Brennan Center." Wonder how this is going to work. "Starting in January, authorities will have a judicial system devoted exclusively to processing gun offenses in the Suffolk Superior Court after being operated for more than a decade in the Boston Municipal Court." A lot of law officers are down on systems which allow gun offenders to get '30 days probation'. Big cities in Massachusetts are not immune to the rise in gun related fatalities. Gangs exist here as they do elsewhere in the nation. But the statistics do point out the ineffectiveness of more stringent gun laws. I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. I was referring to Boston's murder rate, higher than New York or Los Angeles, even with the very strict gun laws in the state. It's not the 'legally purchased' firearms that are causing that, I don't think. Folks who follow all the gun laws don't do the shooting. Wonder how many of the other than gang shootings were done by owners of legally acquired firearms. These people are in the business of selling illegal drugs that they have no problem finding. Why would it be hard to find illegal guns? In fact I bet a lot of street level drug deals are trading drugs for stolen guns. We're not talking about 'illegal' guns. We're talking about gun control laws. Those apply to the law abiding, not the drug and illegal gun dealers. Yeah, why look at the majority of the murders when you can pass more laws that *might* have an effect on less than 2% of them? Most of these guns were purchased legally by adults. Of course that has consequences too. Back in the 60s and 70s it was all about "Saturday Night Specials". Small caliber, cheap, imported handguns were banned. Now the thugs are carrying 9mm and .45 Sigs, Glocks and S&Ws. Was that an improvement? At least when they had a no name .32 auto, there was a good chance it would jam and you could run away. Even if they hit you it was a .22, .25 or .32 usually with FMJ bullets. That is far more survivable than being hit by a high performance 9mm or .45. |
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wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:07:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:31 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. We aren't talking about the range tho are we. It doesn't matter where you are. Cops catch you out "hunting" or shooting in the woods with a magazine in excess of 10 round capacity you will loose it, the gun and your permit to have one. That is just you and maybe Bill. Even the formally Free State of Maryland, Harry can have a 50 round magazine that he bought in Virginia. We do not need a permit to own a firearm. We are limited to 10round mags on any rifle. |
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