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Tim wrote:
Bill
- show quoted text -
Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

—-

How’d all that get in there anyhow?


Jacked the front of the trailer up, and street is crowned. Removed the
filler hose, which is next to the corner of the tank and inserted a hose.
Hose had a curve from storage, so curved in to the corner, Had an
electric fuel pump connected.

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and
flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too.
It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas.


I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an
angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got
almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I
may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little
to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it
in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So
maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;)
It is a joke Don.

Sounds like a plan.

Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire?
(Another joke, Don!)

Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and
burn a pile of brush in the
orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a
cupful from the gas tank and
threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile
also. WHOOOOM! One loud
explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught
me my lesson about using gas
to start a fire.


As a teenager we her bbq some burgers. Ran out of started fluid for the
charcoal and used gas. Worked great in starting the charcoal, but ruined
all the meat as it tasted of gasoline.

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wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:08:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Bill
- show quoted text -
Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

—-

HowÂ’d all that get in there anyhow?


===

Yes, that needs to be understood, otherwise it will happen again. It
sounds like it was a lot more than just condensation or ethanol phase
separation.

It could have been a bad fuel purchase, sometimes happens. More often
it's from a leak around the tank fill, possibly correctable with a new
O-ring.

We had something a little more exotic on our last Caribbean trip -
lots of symptoms of something going on, but no show stoppers thanks to
a good set of large Racor water separators. It was getting worse
however so needed to be solved. After doing a number of thought
experiments I figured out that it was likely the fuel cooler on the
return flow to the tank, something unique to large diesels. We had a
mechanic in the BVI pressure test the cooler and that turned out to be
the problem. Blind pig finds acorn on first try. :-)

We still had a lot of water in the port side tank however so had to
pay a fuel polishing service in St Martin to run it through a big
centrifuge: Lots of $$$ for that and about 40 gallons of discarded
fuel/water mixture.

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The fuel fill is raised a little above the deck, so maybe slowed down water
intrusion. I replaced the tank in about 2002. Had a corrosion hole in
the top. Maybe I need to pull the deck and see if there is a hole. Deck
is screwed down covered plywood. So not a big problem to pull.

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:12:00 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:36:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:50:59 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:32:55 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and
flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too.
It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas.


I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an
angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got
almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I
may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little
to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it
in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So
maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;)
It is a joke Don.

Sounds like a plan.

Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!)

Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the
orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and
threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud
explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas
to start a fire.

The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It
vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is
the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the
pile instead of slowly pouring it in.

Gosh, Gene, thanks!


We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire
extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very
apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the
bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced
putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited
about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan.
We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using
the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the
fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not
get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but
if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too.
My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just
because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the
flash point is so low, it may just go up again.

Sorry I interjected a little science in here. Maybe I should have just
said something bad about Tr .... nevermind ;-)

Well, the point I was making, not too clearly, was that I learned a lot about gas vapor when I was
10 years old.

The experiment was a good one!


===

Anything that doesn't kill you makes you wiser. :-)

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So true.

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:22:10 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and
flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too.
It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas.


I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an
angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got
almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I
may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little
to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it
in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So
maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;)
It is a joke Don.

Sounds like a plan.

Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire?
(Another joke, Don!)

Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and
burn a pile of brush in the
orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a
cupful from the gas tank and
threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile
also. WHOOOOM! One loud
explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught
me my lesson about using gas
to start a fire.


As a teenager we her bbq some burgers. Ran out of started fluid for the
charcoal and used gas. Worked great in starting the charcoal, but ruined
all the meat as it tasted of gasoline.



===

Lucky that's all it did.

Many years ago my father-in-law-to-be did the same thing using a glass
gallon jug of gasoline. The ensuing flame jumped back to the jug,
surprising FILTB, who dropped the jug, which of course shattered in
the driveway, creating the mother of all molotov cocktails right at
our feet. It was only by the grace of some unseen power that he and I
both escaped with our butts intact and unburned, and that his and his
neighbor's house escaped with only minor scorch marks.

I don't even remember how the hamburgers tasted.

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:22:11 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:08:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Bill
- show quoted text -
Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

?-

How?d all that get in there anyhow?


===

Yes, that needs to be understood, otherwise it will happen again. It
sounds like it was a lot more than just condensation or ethanol phase
separation.

It could have been a bad fuel purchase, sometimes happens. More often
it's from a leak around the tank fill, possibly correctable with a new
O-ring.

We had something a little more exotic on our last Caribbean trip -
lots of symptoms of something going on, but no show stoppers thanks to
a good set of large Racor water separators. It was getting worse
however so needed to be solved. After doing a number of thought
experiments I figured out that it was likely the fuel cooler on the
return flow to the tank, something unique to large diesels. We had a
mechanic in the BVI pressure test the cooler and that turned out to be
the problem. Blind pig finds acorn on first try. :-)

We still had a lot of water in the port side tank however so had to
pay a fuel polishing service in St Martin to run it through a big
centrifuge: Lots of $$$ for that and about 40 gallons of discarded
fuel/water mixture.

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The fuel fill is raised a little above the deck, so maybe slowed down water
intrusion. I replaced the tank in about 2002. Had a corrosion hole in
the top. Maybe I need to pull the deck and see if there is a hole. Deck
is screwed down covered plywood. So not a big problem to pull.

===

Good plan.

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On Monday, 12 February 2018 12:49:36 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:33:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Monday, 12 February 2018 09:20:13 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and
flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too.
It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas.


I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an
angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got
almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I
may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little
to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it
in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So
maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;)
It is a joke Don.

Sounds like a plan.

Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!)

Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the
orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and
threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud
explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas
to start a fire.


"Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!" Uh huh! Keep telling yourself that.

Does your comment make sense to you, Don?

All y'all southern boys are not only gun crazy but fire crazy too!
We grew up with heating our 2nd and 3rd floor hallways plus the entire top floor with a coal burning stove. No matter how hard it might be to start there was never an inclination to toss gasoline on anything.

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True North wrote:
On Monday, 12 February 2018 12:49:36 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:33:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Monday, 12 February 2018 09:20:13 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and
flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too.
It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas.


I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an
angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got
almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I
may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little
to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it
in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So
maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;)
It is a joke Don.

Sounds like a plan.

Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the
bonfire? (Another joke, Don!)

Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather
and burn a pile of brush in the
orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a
cupful from the gas tank and
threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the
pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud
explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries.
Taught me my lesson about using gas
to start a fire.


"Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the
bonfire? (Another joke, Don!" Uh huh! Keep telling yourself that.

Does your comment make sense to you, Don?

All y'all southern boys are not only gun crazy but fire crazy too!
We grew up with heating our 2nd and 3rd floor hallways plus the entire
top floor with a coal burning stove. No matter how hard it might be to
start there was never an inclination to toss gasoline on anything.


Wimp.

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:36:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:50:59 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:32:55 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water.

It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and
flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too.
It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas.


I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an
angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got
almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I
may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little
to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it
in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So
maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;)
It is a joke Don.

Sounds like a plan.

Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!)

Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the
orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and
threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud
explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas
to start a fire.

The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It
vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is
the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the
pile instead of slowly pouring it in.

Gosh, Gene, thanks!


We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire
extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very
apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the
bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced
putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited
about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan.
We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using
the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the
fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not
get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but
if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too.
My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just
because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the
flash point is so low, it may just go up again.

Sorry I interjected a little science in here. Maybe I should have just
said something bad about Tr .... nevermind ;-)

Well, the point I was making, not too clearly, was that I learned a lot about gas vapor when I was
10 years old.

The experiment was a good one!

Yup, good judgement comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgement ;-)

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:37:27 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H.
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Anything that doesn't kill you makes you wiser. :-)

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True but in my experiences “Anything that doesn’t kill you, evidently didn’t cause enough tissue damage...�

This is from our guy who goes deer hunting on a motor cycle ;-)