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Ice age by 2050?
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865
BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) |
Ice age by 2050?
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) ..... I’ve got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. |
Ice age by 2050?
On 2/11/2018 8:30 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 01:47:29 -0500, wrote: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) Reckon I should sell my boat? Buy some ice skates? Better shut down the solar panels and windmills and start burning more fossil fuels. :-) |
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On 2/11/2018 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) .... I’ve got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. I heard. We've had a couple of those this winter. I'd rather have 12 inches of snow. |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:51:45 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) .... Ive got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. We're still having rain. All day yesterday and today. Hope it stops by Wednesday. Gotta try the foot on the golf course. Need some motorcycle weather also! |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 09:20:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/11/2018 8:30 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 01:47:29 -0500, wrote: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) Reckon I should sell my boat? Buy some ice skates? Better shut down the solar panels and windmills and start burning more fossil fuels. :-) Watching ice hockey on the Olympics this morning. I played as a kid. Wondering how long I'd last out there now. Maybe all of 12 seconds, if I were playing with the women. |
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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:51:45 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) .... Ive got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. We're still having rain. All day yesterday and today. Hope it stops by Wednesday. Gotta try the foot on the golf course. Need some motorcycle weather also! Cold front today. Only supposed to get to 62. 80 yesterday, but very high winds in the evening. Out to finish draining the fuel tank on the boat. |
Ice age by 2050?
Mr. Luddite
- hide quoted text - On 2/11/2018 8:51 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) .... I’ve got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. I heard. We've had a couple of those this winter. I'd rather have 12 inches of snow. ..... Well Tuesday or Wednesday it’s supposed to be in the low 60s! Go figure... |
Ice age by 2050?
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:24:24 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: John H. wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:51:45 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) .... I?ve got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. We're still having rain. All day yesterday and today. Hope it stops by Wednesday. Gotta try the foot on the golf course. Need some motorcycle weather also! Cold front today. Only supposed to get to 62. 80 yesterday, but very high winds in the evening. Out to finish draining the fuel tank on the boat. Rolling on screen today and it was kinda hot. (80 sumpin) |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:24:24 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:51:45 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...ice-age-759865 BTW from UC San Diego, not Fox News These guys think it may start in 4 years. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/scientists-...by-2030-754819 source professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University (UK) .... I?ve got an ice age this morning. Whole place is covered. We're still having rain. All day yesterday and today. Hope it stops by Wednesday. Gotta try the foot on the golf course. Need some motorcycle weather also! Cold front today. Only supposed to get to 62. 80 yesterday, but very high winds in the evening. Out to finish draining the fuel tank on the boat. Rolling on screen today and it was kinda hot. (80 sumpin) Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:36:21 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:45:36 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. Is it not possible to put the mixture into a container, let the water settle to the bottom and siphon the gas off the top? === That would be a good start. Next I would run the gas through a water seperating filter to pick up anything remaining, and as a last step mix in some ethanol fuel. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:36:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:45:36 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. Is it not possible to put the mixture into a container, let the water settle to the bottom and siphon the gas off the top? === That would be a good start. Next I would run the gas through a water seperating filter to pick up anything remaining, and as a last step mix in some ethanol fuel. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I have a water separator filter, but it filled up. Probably only a $100 bucks of fuel to replace what was in tank. Full would be near 70 gallons. |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:37:28 -0500,
wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:36:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:45:36 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. Is it not possible to put the mixture into a container, let the water settle to the bottom and siphon the gas off the top? === That would be a good start. Next I would run the gas through a water seperating filter to pick up anything remaining, and as a last step mix in some ethanol fuel. The other problem is the alcohol has mixed with the water so you end up with very low octane fuel, hence adding back high test and maybe even a few cans of octane booster. It is still going to be shaky gas for a boat. I also question putting it in your car. They tend to be less able to assimilate water than a boat with a water separator. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. I don't think I would screw with what you have in the drum. It is 5 or 6 cans you can take to the dump. |
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Bill
- show quoted text - Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. —- How’d all that get in there anyhow? |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:08:44 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
Bill - show quoted text - Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. - Howd all that get in there anyhow? Now that's a purdy good question. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:08:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Bill - show quoted text - Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. - Howd all that get in there anyhow? === Yes, that needs to be understood, otherwise it will happen again. It sounds like it was a lot more than just condensation or ethanol phase separation. It could have been a bad fuel purchase, sometimes happens. More often it's from a leak around the tank fill, possibly correctable with a new O-ring. We had something a little more exotic on our last Caribbean trip - lots of symptoms of something going on, but no show stoppers thanks to a good set of large Racor water separators. It was getting worse however so needed to be solved. After doing a number of thought experiments I figured out that it was likely the fuel cooler on the return flow to the tank, something unique to large diesels. We had a mechanic in the BVI pressure test the cooler and that turned out to be the problem. Blind pig finds acorn on first try. :-) We still had a lot of water in the port side tank however so had to pay a fuel polishing service in St Martin to run it through a big centrifuge: Lots of $$$ for that and about 40 gallons of discarded fuel/water mixture. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the pile instead of slowly pouring it in. We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan. We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too. My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the flash point is so low, it may just go up again. |
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On Monday, 12 February 2018 09:20:13 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. "Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!" Uh huh! Keep telling yourself that. |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:33:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
On Monday, 12 February 2018 09:20:13 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. "Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!" Uh huh! Keep telling yourself that. Does your comment make sense to you, Don? |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:36:28 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:50:59 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:32:55 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the pile instead of slowly pouring it in. Gosh, Gene, thanks! We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan. We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too. My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the flash point is so low, it may just go up again. Sorry I interjected a little science in here. Maybe I should have just said something bad about Tr .... nevermind ;-) Well, the point I was making, not too clearly, was that I learned a lot about gas vapor when I was 10 years old. The experiment was a good one! |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:36:28 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:50:59 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:32:55 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the pile instead of slowly pouring it in. Gosh, Gene, thanks! We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan. We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too. My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the flash point is so low, it may just go up again. Sorry I interjected a little science in here. Maybe I should have just said something bad about Tr .... nevermind ;-) Well, the point I was making, not too clearly, was that I learned a lot about gas vapor when I was 10 years old. The experiment was a good one! === Anything that doesn't kill you makes you wiser. :-) --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H. - show quoted text - === Anything that doesn't kill you makes you wiser. :-) --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ..... True but in my experiences “Anything that doesn’t kill you, evidently didn’t cause enough tissue damage...” |
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Tim wrote:
Bill - show quoted text - Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. —- How’d all that get in there anyhow? Jacked the front of the trailer up, and street is crowned. Removed the filler hose, which is next to the corner of the tank and inserted a hose. Hose had a curve from storage, so curved in to the corner, Had an electric fuel pump connected. |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. As a teenager we her bbq some burgers. Ran out of started fluid for the charcoal and used gas. Worked great in starting the charcoal, but ruined all the meat as it tasted of gasoline. |
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:08:44 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Bill - show quoted text - Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. - Howd all that get in there anyhow? === Yes, that needs to be understood, otherwise it will happen again. It sounds like it was a lot more than just condensation or ethanol phase separation. It could have been a bad fuel purchase, sometimes happens. More often it's from a leak around the tank fill, possibly correctable with a new O-ring. We had something a little more exotic on our last Caribbean trip - lots of symptoms of something going on, but no show stoppers thanks to a good set of large Racor water separators. It was getting worse however so needed to be solved. After doing a number of thought experiments I figured out that it was likely the fuel cooler on the return flow to the tank, something unique to large diesels. We had a mechanic in the BVI pressure test the cooler and that turned out to be the problem. Blind pig finds acorn on first try. :-) We still had a lot of water in the port side tank however so had to pay a fuel polishing service in St Martin to run it through a big centrifuge: Lots of $$$ for that and about 40 gallons of discarded fuel/water mixture. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com The fuel fill is raised a little above the deck, so maybe slowed down water intrusion. I replaced the tank in about 2002. Had a corrosion hole in the top. Maybe I need to pull the deck and see if there is a hole. Deck is screwed down covered plywood. So not a big problem to pull. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:12:00 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:36:28 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:50:59 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:32:55 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the pile instead of slowly pouring it in. Gosh, Gene, thanks! We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan. We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too. My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the flash point is so low, it may just go up again. Sorry I interjected a little science in here. Maybe I should have just said something bad about Tr .... nevermind ;-) Well, the point I was making, not too clearly, was that I learned a lot about gas vapor when I was 10 years old. The experiment was a good one! === Anything that doesn't kill you makes you wiser. :-) --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com So true. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:22:10 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. As a teenager we her bbq some burgers. Ran out of started fluid for the charcoal and used gas. Worked great in starting the charcoal, but ruined all the meat as it tasted of gasoline. === Lucky that's all it did. Many years ago my father-in-law-to-be did the same thing using a glass gallon jug of gasoline. The ensuing flame jumped back to the jug, surprising FILTB, who dropped the jug, which of course shattered in the driveway, creating the mother of all molotov cocktails right at our feet. It was only by the grace of some unseen power that he and I both escaped with our butts intact and unburned, and that his and his neighbor's house escaped with only minor scorch marks. I don't even remember how the hamburgers tasted. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:22:11 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:08:44 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Bill - show quoted text - Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. ?- How?d all that get in there anyhow? === Yes, that needs to be understood, otherwise it will happen again. It sounds like it was a lot more than just condensation or ethanol phase separation. It could have been a bad fuel purchase, sometimes happens. More often it's from a leak around the tank fill, possibly correctable with a new O-ring. We had something a little more exotic on our last Caribbean trip - lots of symptoms of something going on, but no show stoppers thanks to a good set of large Racor water separators. It was getting worse however so needed to be solved. After doing a number of thought experiments I figured out that it was likely the fuel cooler on the return flow to the tank, something unique to large diesels. We had a mechanic in the BVI pressure test the cooler and that turned out to be the problem. Blind pig finds acorn on first try. :-) We still had a lot of water in the port side tank however so had to pay a fuel polishing service in St Martin to run it through a big centrifuge: Lots of $$$ for that and about 40 gallons of discarded fuel/water mixture. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com The fuel fill is raised a little above the deck, so maybe slowed down water intrusion. I replaced the tank in about 2002. Had a corrosion hole in the top. Maybe I need to pull the deck and see if there is a hole. Deck is screwed down covered plywood. So not a big problem to pull. === Good plan. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Monday, 12 February 2018 12:49:36 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:33:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 12 February 2018 09:20:13 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. "Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!" Uh huh! Keep telling yourself that. Does your comment make sense to you, Don? All y'all southern boys are not only gun crazy but fire crazy too! We grew up with heating our 2nd and 3rd floor hallways plus the entire top floor with a coal burning stove. No matter how hard it might be to start there was never an inclination to toss gasoline on anything. |
Ice age by 2050?
True North wrote:
On Monday, 12 February 2018 12:49:36 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:33:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 12 February 2018 09:20:13 UTC-4, John H wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. "Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!" Uh huh! Keep telling yourself that. Does your comment make sense to you, Don? All y'all southern boys are not only gun crazy but fire crazy too! We grew up with heating our 2nd and 3rd floor hallways plus the entire top floor with a coal burning stove. No matter how hard it might be to start there was never an inclination to toss gasoline on anything. Wimp. |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:36:28 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:50:59 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:32:55 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:20:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:38:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:26:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Got the last couple gallons out. Mostly water. It might be worth sacrificing a few gallons of fresh gas to dilute and flush out any remaining water. Suck that out and recycle it too. It's a shame you can't find something to do with that gas. I got a hose into th corner of the tank. Boat is tipped up and at an angle. Pumped water for a long while and then gas. So I think it got almost if not all the water out. Only about 30gallons in the drum, so I may let it sit for a few days and pump,some off the top, and add a little to the cars once in a while. Local hazardous waste facility only takes it in 5 gallon containers or 50# max. They will return containers, So maybe a couple trips. Or a large bonfire. ;) It is a joke Don. Sounds like a plan. Maybe invite the neighbors for a hot dog roast when you have the bonfire? (Another joke, Don!) Reminds me of an incident as a kid. My grandfather told me to gather and burn a pile of brush in the orchard. As a 10-year old, I didn't know much about gas. So I got a cupful from the gas tank and threw it on the brush pile. I then lit a match and threw it on the pile also. WHOOOOM! One loud explosion which knocked me on my ass. Luckily no other injuries. Taught me my lesson about using gas to start a fire. The problem with gasoline is why it works so well in an engine. It vaporizes very easily. Your "explosion" was the vapor going up. It is the basis of the fuel/air bomb. I suspect you threw the gas at the pile instead of slowly pouring it in. Gosh, Gene, thanks! We did a little fire fighting exercise with my recalled Kidde fire extinguishers before I sent them back. That vapor thing becomes very apparent in a gasoline fire. I took a big cake pan, put water in the bottom and floated about a half point of gas on top and we practiced putting out the fire. I was kind of surprised that the vapor reignited about 5 seconds after the fire was out, just from the heat in the pan. We had 2 extinguishers and I also had the hose down there. By using the fan spray setting on a turret nozzle I was able to put out the fire almost as fast as dumping 2.5# of dry powder on it and I did not get the flash back. The "mist" setting did not spray enough water but if I had more water pressure that probably would have worked too. My take away with the powder is don't believe the fire is out, just because the flames are all gone. That vapor is still out there and the flash point is so low, it may just go up again. Sorry I interjected a little science in here. Maybe I should have just said something bad about Tr .... nevermind ;-) Well, the point I was making, not too clearly, was that I learned a lot about gas vapor when I was 10 years old. The experiment was a good one! Yup, good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement ;-) |
Ice age by 2050?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:37:27 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:07:52 -0500, John H. - show quoted text - === Anything that doesn't kill you makes you wiser. :-) --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com .... True but in my experiences “Anything that doesn’t kill you, evidently didn’t cause enough tissue damage...” This is from our guy who goes deer hunting on a motor cycle ;-) |
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