Tim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:55:11 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
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Both, one literally, the other figuratively but there is no comparison
in what they accomplished. Kennedy's main claim to fame was ****ing
Marilyn Monroe and getting shot.

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Jack was taken out way too early. Shame too. I look back at history and
thought he could have done some great things. One thing about him was he
could sure deliver a great speech...


He was not a real successful President. But he would most likely not have
used Tonkin Gulf as an excuse to crank up the war. I heard he was trying
to get us out of the debacle.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 01:07:00 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Tim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:55:11 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
Both, one literally, the other figuratively but there is no comparison
in what they accomplished. Kennedy's main claim to fame was ****ing
Marilyn Monroe and getting shot.

...

Jack was taken out way too early. Shame too. I look back at history and
thought he could have done some great things. One thing about him was he
could sure deliver a great speech...


He was not a real successful President. But he would most likely not have
used Tonkin Gulf as an excuse to crank up the war. I heard he was trying
to get us out of the debacle.

"Trying" in a "put in more troops" sort of way. I agree LBJ was worse,
turning a little regional civil war into a massive debacle that killed
65000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese.
Cuba was a total disaster from start to finish. The "missile crisis"
was totally unnecessary and after almost blowing up the world, we
ended up with the deal Krushchev wanted in the first place.
We pulled our old missiles out of Turkey and agreed not to put new
ones back. That was the object of the exercise and in the end that was
what happened. In the mean time Kennedy's ego and stupidity almost
started WWIII. He did not know that there were already tactical nukes
in Cuba, ready to go and he also did not know the subs had nuclear
torpedoes on board. One political officer stopped the nuclear
holocaust by telling a sub captain not to fire after we attacked his
boat.