On 1/23/2018 2:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:30:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/23/2018 12:24 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


They state may be required to buy them.



Not according to the letter. It requires anyone who owns them to
transfer them to the police for destruction.

They can take it up with Greg. :-)


I bet you see a modification in that policy. They will certainly hear
from the NRA and they might even have the ACLU join the suit. I
understand most people don't care about "taking" bump stocks but it is
the "taking" that is unconstitutional. What if they decided
motorcycles or horses were too dangerous to own and told you to turn
them in? It is the same issue from a legal standpoint. It is a post
facto law and an uncompensated taking.



You forget. I live in Massachusetts.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:52:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/23/2018 2:39 PM, wrote:


I bet you see a modification in that policy. They will certainly hear
from the NRA and they might even have the ACLU join the suit. I
understand most people don't care about "taking" bump stocks but it is
the "taking" that is unconstitutional. What if they decided
motorcycles or horses were too dangerous to own and told you to turn
them in? It is the same issue from a legal standpoint. It is a post
facto law and an uncompensated taking.



You forget. I live in Massachusetts.

Yeah that is supposed to be the cradle of liberty.
You guys threw the tea in the water over taxes and unarmed patriots
charged redcoats over the right to have a snow ball fight.
Now look at you.
That wasn't an earthquake in Sanbornton
John Adams is rolling over in his grave

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I heard that you need a permission slip to carry pepper spray and
tbat you have to go to Ruggles street station to get it. For
those unfamiliar with Ruggles street, you are better off not
knowing.
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On 1/23/2018 12:54 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I heard that you need a permission slip to carry pepper spray and
tbat you have to go to Ruggles street station to get it. For
those unfamiliar with Ruggles street, you are better off not
knowing.



At one time a minimum of a FID card was required to purchase and/or
carry pepper spray (Mace) in MA. It was classified as ammunition.
However, the law was changed in 2014 and no license or permit is
required and is legal for those 18 years old and up.

On 1/23/2018 11:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank� before your posting of it.


In the letter "trigger crank" is defined as:

"Any device to be attached to a weapon that repeatedly activates the
trigger of the weapon through the use of a lever or other part that is
turned in a circular motion; provided, however, that "trigger crank"
shall not include any weapon initially designed or manufactured to fire
through the use of a crank or lever."

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:44:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/23/2018 11:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank” before your posting of it.


In the letter "trigger crank" is defined as:

"Any device to be attached to a weapon that repeatedly activates the
trigger of the weapon through the use of a lever or other part that is
turned in a circular motion; provided, however, that "trigger crank"
shall not include any weapon initially designed or manufactured to fire
through the use of a crank or lever."

I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:52:54 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:44:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/23/2018 11:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank� before your posting of it.


In the letter "trigger crank" is defined as:

"Any device to be attached to a weapon that repeatedly activates the
trigger of the weapon through the use of a lever or other part that is
turned in a circular motion; provided, however, that "trigger crank"
shall not include any weapon initially designed or manufactured to fire
through the use of a crank or lever."

I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.

The first place I saw a commercially available one was in Soldier of
Fortune magazine in the ad section in the back. That was also where
you could buy a MAC 10 "parts kit" and the "frame flat" that you could
drill a half dozen holes in and bend up to make a $200 machine gun.
That was probably the 70s. In those days (prior to 1986) you could
actually make that MAC legally if you filed a few forms with ATF and
sent them $205.

On 1/23/18 12:23 PM, wrote:
On 23 Jan 2018 16:36:46 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank� before your posting of it.

Don't get out much huh?
They have been around at least 50 years. I made one that clamps on the
trigger guard from a small motor I got from IBM with a cam on it. The
thing worked ok but I was not sure about the legality or usefulness so
I put it away. It may still be in my junk at my Ex's house if it
didn't get tossed. My biggest problem with it was the old Marlin SA
.22 rifle I had would not cycle as fast as the motor ran. It ended up
running erratically.


I had to look it up. Never heard of it. I'm "cheap" with blowing off
ammo, so the one time I fired a fully auto rifle was enough for me. I do
admire the rapid-fire skills of Jerry Miculek with revolvers, though.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:28:25 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/23/18 12:23 PM, wrote:


Don't get out much huh?
They have been around at least 50 years. I made one that clamps on the
trigger guard from a small motor I got from IBM with a cam on it. The
thing worked ok but I was not sure about the legality or usefulness so
I put it away. It may still be in my junk at my Ex's house if it
didn't get tossed. My biggest problem with it was the old Marlin SA
.22 rifle I had would not cycle as fast as the motor ran. It ended up
running erratically.


I had to look it up. Never heard of it. I'm "cheap" with blowing off
ammo, so the one time I fired a fully auto rifle was enough for me. I do
admire the rapid-fire skills of Jerry Miculek with revolvers, though.

I pretty much got my full auto fill when we had to shoot or throw over
the side 12,000 rounds of 50 cal. We also had a couple thousand rounds
of 30-06 in M1 clips. Most of them were just tossed but I did shoot a
hundred or so I suppose before the day was out, just demonstrating the
M1 to guys who had only seen them in the movies. Most of the guys shot
until the clip flew out and they were done.
The 50 was more popular but usually only for a half a can or so.
WE threw a bunch over the side. I did manage to get 100 rounds of .50
cal and a couple of bandoliers of 30-06 in my sea bag.
When I had the 10-22 my IBM/cop buddy shot it most of the times I had
it out of the safe. He provided the venue. I was mostly interested in
my M1A and the Ruger KP90.