Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.

On 1/23/2018 11:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank� before your posting of it.


In the letter "trigger crank" is defined as:

"Any device to be attached to a weapon that repeatedly activates the
trigger of the weapon through the use of a lever or other part that is
turned in a circular motion; provided, however, that "trigger crank"
shall not include any weapon initially designed or manufactured to fire
through the use of a crank or lever."

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:44:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/23/2018 11:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank” before your posting of it.


In the letter "trigger crank" is defined as:

"Any device to be attached to a weapon that repeatedly activates the
trigger of the weapon through the use of a lever or other part that is
turned in a circular motion; provided, however, that "trigger crank"
shall not include any weapon initially designed or manufactured to fire
through the use of a crank or lever."

I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:27:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.

Perhaps they need a lesson in constitutional law
"Article I Section 9 (3). No bill of attainder or ex post facto law
shall be passed."
The 14th amendment expanded that protection to laws made by states.

They can tax the hell out of them but "taking" them without "just
compensation" (5th amendment) is unconstitutional.

Plan on your state spending some time in court.

On 1/23/2018 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:27:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.

Perhaps they need a lesson in constitutional law
"Article I Section 9 (3). No bill of attainder or ex post facto law
shall be passed."
The 14th amendment expanded that protection to laws made by states.

They can tax the hell out of them but "taking" them without "just
compensation" (5th amendment) is unconstitutional.

Plan on your state spending some time in court.



Heh. Greg, would you like the telephone number for the MA Secretary of
State or the AG's office? Perhaps you could educate them in
Constitutional Law.

Me? I couldn't care less. Don't have either of those devices and have
no interest in them.

Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


They state may be required to buy them.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:52:54 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:44:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/23/2018 11:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I’ve not encountered the term “trigger crank� before your posting of it.


In the letter "trigger crank" is defined as:

"Any device to be attached to a weapon that repeatedly activates the
trigger of the weapon through the use of a lever or other part that is
turned in a circular motion; provided, however, that "trigger crank"
shall not include any weapon initially designed or manufactured to fire
through the use of a crank or lever."

I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.

The first place I saw a commercially available one was in Soldier of
Fortune magazine in the ad section in the back. That was also where
you could buy a MAC 10 "parts kit" and the "frame flat" that you could
drill a half dozen holes in and bend up to make a $200 machine gun.
That was probably the 70s. In those days (prior to 1986) you could
actually make that MAC legally if you filed a few forms with ATF and
sent them $205.

On 1/23/2018 12:24 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


They state may be required to buy them.



Not according to the letter. It requires anyone who owns them to
transfer them to the police for destruction.

They can take it up with Greg. :-)

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:22:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/23/2018 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:27:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.

Perhaps they need a lesson in constitutional law
"Article I Section 9 (3). No bill of attainder or ex post facto law
shall be passed."
The 14th amendment expanded that protection to laws made by states.

They can tax the hell out of them but "taking" them without "just
compensation" (5th amendment) is unconstitutional.

Plan on your state spending some time in court.



Heh. Greg, would you like the telephone number for the MA Secretary of
State or the AG's office? Perhaps you could educate them in
Constitutional Law.

Me? I couldn't care less. Don't have either of those devices and have
no interest in them.

I only care about the loss of fundamental rights and if a state can
suddenly make something illegal that used to be legal and confiscate
it, we are all in trouble. What's next?
BTW I expect NRA will be these soon enough

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

Received a letter today from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts advising
all gun license holders on record that as of February 1, 2018
the purchase, sale or offering for sale of a bump stock or trigger crank
is unlawful.

Furthermore, effective after 90 days of February 1, 2018, the new law
makes possession of either, regardless of what type of license you have
unlawful, including possession in a private home. Even if you hold a
machine gun license, bump stocks and trigger cranks are illegal to own
after the 90 day period.

The letter goes on to state that if you have either of these devices you
are required by law to contact your local police department or the
Massachusetts State Police to arrange to transfer them for destruction
by the police.

Retention of either beyond the 90 day period will expose the owner to
criminal prosecution.


I heard that you need a permission slip to carry pepper spray and
tbat you have to go to Ruggles street station to get it. For
those unfamiliar with Ruggles street, you are better off not
knowing.
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