On 1/16/18 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 5:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 4:34 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:21:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/16/18 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 06:57:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:37:48 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:58:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

Never enjoyed watching a performance more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak


===

Nice.Â* I understand that there are some people who can listen
to that
without thinking of Bo Derek.Â*Â* :-)

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Yup, I'se one. I didn't know Bo Derek was in a movie named
'Bolero' until just now. I'm wondering
where I was in 1984 when that came out. (I looked it up on You
Tube.) Hell, I was right here working
at the Army Personnel Center. Too damn busy to go to the
movies, I reckon.


The "Bolaro" reference was originally from the movie "10".



Ravel was never on my favorites list, and he dropped even lower for
orchestrating and turning Modest Mussorgsky's lovely Pictures at an
Exhibition into a bombastic Herring piece.Â*

===

Here's some Ravel that may be subtle enough for your delicate
sensibilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNlYMvFA5U


I'm familiar with Ravel's compositions. As far as I know, there is no
requirement that I like or prefer the music of all composers of
serious
music, or even all the compositions of composers I do prefer.

One of the more bizarre peculiarities of this newsgroup is the
"demand"
for group think. Must be all the military experience here, eh?



No one demanded that you like that version.Â* In fact, you took a
shot at John because he did like it, and you didn't.Â* Your own
version of demanding group think.Â* It was normal, and expected, that
you be an asshole about it, though.Â* Business as usual for you.

So true.Â* Harry has been like that for decades.Â* He has little
respect for what other people like or enjoy unless it happens to
shared by him,
which is very rare.

Most mentally stable people understand and accept that people have
different tastes and likes.



I stated I didn't like it. I don't give a **** whether you like it or
not. I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music.


Can you respect the fact that some find it enjoyable?Â*Â* Nope.Â* You
can't, because *you* don't like it.Â* That's the personality quirk that
is so consistent in you over the past 20 years.





Once again, I don't give a **** whether you (or anyone else) likes it or
not. I don't dislike it because Herring likes it.

4:05 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I know words aren't an area of expertise for you. You claimed Ravel
wrote Bolero for the piano. He did not. He wrote it on a piano. There's
a big difference there.

I never said I liked the "original" version of Bolero. I don't like any
versions of Ravel's Bolero. The work I like and referenced is
Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was written on and for
the piano. Ravel later orchestrated the piano work and, in my opinion,
turned it into something it was never meant to be.

Here is the most famous performance of Pictures, by the incredible
Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNq3VMzqXqM

.....


Harry, I see google isn’t your friend today...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boléro

“
The piece was first published by the Parisian firm Durand in 1929. Arrangements of the piece were made for piano solo and piano duet (two people playing at one piano), and Ravel himself arranged a version for two pianos, published in 1930.

The first recording was made by Piero Coppolain Paris[citation needed] for the Gramophone Company on 8 January 1930. The recording session was attended by Ravel.[7] The following day, Ravel conducted the Lamoureux Orchestra in his own recording for Polydor.[8]...�

According to this, Piano it was

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 6:22:53 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 5:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 4:34 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:21:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/16/18 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 06:57:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:37:48 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:58:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

Never enjoyed watching a performance more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak


===

Nice.Â* I understand that there are some people who can listen
to that
without thinking of Bo Derek.Â*Â* :-)

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Yup, I'se one. I didn't know Bo Derek was in a movie named
'Bolero' until just now. I'm wondering
where I was in 1984 when that came out. (I looked it up on You
Tube.) Hell, I was right here working
at the Army Personnel Center. Too damn busy to go to the
movies, I reckon.


The "Bolaro" reference was originally from the movie "10".



Ravel was never on my favorites list, and he dropped even lower for
orchestrating and turning Modest Mussorgsky's lovely Pictures at an
Exhibition into a bombastic Herring piece.Â*

===

Here's some Ravel that may be subtle enough for your delicate
sensibilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNlYMvFA5U


I'm familiar with Ravel's compositions. As far as I know, there is no
requirement that I like or prefer the music of all composers of
serious
music, or even all the compositions of composers I do prefer.

One of the more bizarre peculiarities of this newsgroup is the
"demand"
for group think. Must be all the military experience here, eh?



No one demanded that you like that version.Â* In fact, you took a
shot at John because he did like it, and you didn't.Â* Your own
version of demanding group think.Â* It was normal, and expected, that
you be an asshole about it, though.Â* Business as usual for you.

So true.Â* Harry has been like that for decades.Â* He has little
respect for what other people like or enjoy unless it happens to
shared by him,
which is very rare.

Most mentally stable people understand and accept that people have
different tastes and likes.



I stated I didn't like it. I don't give a **** whether you like it or
not. I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music..


Can you respect the fact that some find it enjoyable?Â*Â* Nope.Â* You
can't, because *you* don't like it.Â* That's the personality quirk that
is so consistent in you over the past 20 years.





Once again, I don't give a **** whether you (or anyone else) likes it or
not. I don't dislike it because Herring likes it.

"I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music."

Yeah, John has nothing to do with it.

On 1/16/18 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:

4:05 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I know words aren't an area of expertise for you. You claimed Ravel
wrote Bolero for the piano. He did not. He wrote it on a piano. There's
a big difference there.

I never said I liked the "original" version of Bolero. I don't like any
versions of Ravel's Bolero. The work I like and referenced is
Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was written on and for
the piano. Ravel later orchestrated the piano work and, in my opinion,
turned it into something it was never meant to be.

Here is the most famous performance of Pictures, by the incredible
Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNq3VMzqXqM

....


Harry, I see google isn’t your friend today...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boléro

“
The piece was first published by the Parisian firm Durand in 1929. Arrangements of the piece were made for piano solo and piano duet (two people playing at one piano), and Ravel himself arranged a version for two pianos, published in 1930.

The first recording was made by Piero Coppolain Paris[citation needed] for the Gramophone Company on 8 January 1930. The recording session was attended by Ravel.[7] The following day, Ravel conducted the Lamoureux Orchestra in his own recording for Polydor.[8]...�

According to this, Piano it was


Your wiki post doesn't mean the piece was written *for* piano. It was
written on a piano, but Ravel's intention was to produce an orchestrated
dance piece.

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 8:36:27 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:

4:05 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I know words aren't an area of expertise for you. You claimed Ravel
wrote Bolero for the piano. He did not. He wrote it on a piano. There's
a big difference there.

I never said I liked the "original" version of Bolero. I don't like any
versions of Ravel's Bolero. The work I like and referenced is
Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was written on and for
the piano. Ravel later orchestrated the piano work and, in my opinion,
turned it into something it was never meant to be.

Here is the most famous performance of Pictures, by the incredible
Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNq3VMzqXqM

....


Harry, I see google isn’t your friend today...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boléro

“
The piece was first published by the Parisian firm Durand in 1929. Arrangements of the piece were made for piano solo and piano duet (two people playing at one piano), and Ravel himself arranged a version for two pianos, published in 1930.

The first recording was made by Piero Coppolain Paris[citation needed] for the Gramophone Company on 8 January 1930. The recording session was attended by Ravel.[7] The following day, Ravel conducted the Lamoureux Orchestra in his own recording for Polydor.[8]...�

According to this, Piano it was


Your wiki post doesn't mean the piece was written *for* piano. It was
written on a piano, but Ravel's intention was to produce an orchestrated
dance piece.

As in all things life, things changed. "It is usually played as a purely orchestral work, only rarely being staged as a ballet."

In fact, "The piece was first published by the Parisian firm Durand in 1929.. Arrangements of the piece were made for piano solo and piano duet (two people playing at one piano), and Ravel himself arranged a version for two pianos, published in 1930."

Seems that although he may have started out in one direction, he ended up in another. It was, in the end, first published for piano.

Now go listen to some soft chamber music.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:32:59 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 6:22:53 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 5:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 4:34 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:21:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/16/18 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 06:57:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:37:48 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:58:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

Never enjoyed watching a performance more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak


===

Nice.* I understand that there are some people who can listen
to that
without thinking of Bo Derek.** :-)

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Yup, I'se one. I didn't know Bo Derek was in a movie named
'Bolero' until just now. I'm wondering
where I was in 1984 when that came out. (I looked it up on You
Tube.) Hell, I was right here working
at the Army Personnel Center. Too damn busy to go to the
movies, I reckon.


The "Bolaro" reference was originally from the movie "10".



Ravel was never on my favorites list, and he dropped even lower for
orchestrating and turning Modest Mussorgsky's lovely Pictures at an
Exhibition into a bombastic Herring piece.*

===

Here's some Ravel that may be subtle enough for your delicate
sensibilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNlYMvFA5U


I'm familiar with Ravel's compositions. As far as I know, there is no
requirement that I like or prefer the music of all composers of
serious
music, or even all the compositions of composers I do prefer.

One of the more bizarre peculiarities of this newsgroup is the
"demand"
for group think. Must be all the military experience here, eh?



No one demanded that you like that version.* In fact, you took a
shot at John because he did like it, and you didn't.* Your own
version of demanding group think.* It was normal, and expected, that
you be an asshole about it, though.* Business as usual for you.

So true.* Harry has been like that for decades.* He has little
respect for what other people like or enjoy unless it happens to
shared by him,
which is very rare.

Most mentally stable people understand and accept that people have
different tastes and likes.



I stated I didn't like it. I don't give a **** whether you like it or
not. I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music.


Can you respect the fact that some find it enjoyable?** Nope.* You
can't, because *you* don't like it.* That's the personality quirk that
is so consistent in you over the past 20 years.





Once again, I don't give a **** whether you (or anyone else) likes it or
not. I don't dislike it because Herring likes it.

"I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music."

Yeah, John has nothing to do with it.

He's having a hard time keeping his own bull**** straight.

John H
- show quoted text -
He's having a hard time keeping his own bull**** straight.
.....

Next we’ll work on old Abe’s “of the people, by the people, and for the people...�. That’ll be interesting...

On 1/16/2018 8:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:

4:05 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I know words aren't an area of expertise for you. You claimed Ravel
wrote Bolero for the piano. He did not. He wrote it on a piano. There's
a big difference there.

I never said I liked the "original" version of Bolero. I don't like any
versions of Ravel's Bolero. The work I like and referenced is
Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was written on and for
the piano. Ravel later orchestrated the piano work and, in my opinion,
turned it into something it was never meant to be.

Here is the most famous performance of Pictures, by the incredible
Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNq3VMzqXqM

....


Harry, I see google isn’t your friend today...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boléro

“
The piece was first published by the Parisian firm Durand in 1929.
Arrangements of the piece were made for piano solo and piano duet (two
people playing at one piano), and Ravel himself arranged a version for
two pianos, published in 1930.

The first recording was made by Piero Coppolain Paris[citation needed]
for the Gramophone Company on 8 January 1930. The recording session
was attended by Ravel.[7] The following day, Ravel conducted the
Lamoureux Orchestra in his own recording for Polydor.[8]...�

According to this, Piano it was



Your wiki post doesn't mean the piece was written *for* piano. It was
written on a piano, but Ravel's intention was to produce an orchestrated
dance piece.

If a composer *publishes* a piece written for piano, it was written for
piano. Your cognizant thinking is going to hell in a handbasket.

On 1/16/2018 9:21 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:32:59 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 6:22:53 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 5:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 4:34 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:21:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/16/18 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 06:57:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:37:48 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:58:39 -0500, John H
wrote:

Never enjoyed watching a performance more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak


===

Nice.Â* I understand that there are some people who can listen
to that
without thinking of Bo Derek.Â*Â* :-)

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Yup, I'se one. I didn't know Bo Derek was in a movie named
'Bolero' until just now. I'm wondering
where I was in 1984 when that came out. (I looked it up on You
Tube.) Hell, I was right here working
at the Army Personnel Center. Too damn busy to go to the
movies, I reckon.


The "Bolaro" reference was originally from the movie "10".



Ravel was never on my favorites list, and he dropped even lower for
orchestrating and turning Modest Mussorgsky's lovely Pictures at an
Exhibition into a bombastic Herring piece.Â*

===

Here's some Ravel that may be subtle enough for your delicate
sensibilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNlYMvFA5U


I'm familiar with Ravel's compositions. As far as I know, there is no
requirement that I like or prefer the music of all composers of
serious
music, or even all the compositions of composers I do prefer.

One of the more bizarre peculiarities of this newsgroup is the
"demand"
for group think. Must be all the military experience here, eh?



No one demanded that you like that version.Â* In fact, you took a
shot at John because he did like it, and you didn't.Â* Your own
version of demanding group think.Â* It was normal, and expected, that
you be an asshole about it, though.Â* Business as usual for you.

So true.Â* Harry has been like that for decades.Â* He has little
respect for what other people like or enjoy unless it happens to
shared by him,
which is very rare.

Most mentally stable people understand and accept that people have
different tastes and likes.



I stated I didn't like it. I don't give a **** whether you like it or
not. I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music.


Can you respect the fact that some find it enjoyable?Â*Â* Nope.Â* You
can't, because *you* don't like it.Â* That's the personality quirk that
is so consistent in you over the past 20 years.





Once again, I don't give a **** whether you (or anyone else) likes it or
not. I don't dislike it because Herring likes it.

"I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music."

Yeah, John has nothing to do with it.

He's having a hard time keeping his own bull**** straight.



Take note of what he said:

"I don't like Herring's taste for overdone, overly bombastic music."

He claims to be a master at using words, yet ..

Is it John's *taste* in music that Harry doesn't like or is it "overly
bombastic music" that he doesn't like?

Two different things.

On 1/17/18 5:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/16/2018 8:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/16/18 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:

4:05 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I know words aren't an area of expertise for you. You claimed Ravel
wrote Bolero for the piano. He did not. He wrote it on a piano. There's
a big difference there.

I never said I liked the "original" version of Bolero. I don't like any
versions of Ravel's Bolero. The work I like and referenced is
Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was written on and for
the piano. Ravel later orchestrated the piano work and, in my opinion,
turned it into something it was never meant to be.

Here is the most famous performance of Pictures, by the incredible
Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNq3VMzqXqM

....


Harry, I see google isn’t your friend today...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boléro

“
The piece was first published by the Parisian firm Durand in 1929.
Arrangements of the piece were made for piano solo and piano duet
(two people playing at one piano), and Ravel himself arranged a
version for two pianos, published in 1930.

The first recording was made by Piero Coppolain Paris[citation
needed] for the Gramophone Company on 8 January 1930. The recording
session was attended by Ravel.[7] The following day, Ravel conducted
the Lamoureux Orchestra in his own recording for Polydor.[8]...�

According to this, Piano it was



Your wiki post doesn't mean the piece was written *for* piano. It was
written on a piano, but Ravel's intention was to produce an
orchestrated dance piece.

If a composer *publishes* a piece written for piano, it was written for
piano.Â* Your cognizant thinking is going to hell in a handbasket.


Uh-huh. Your language skills remind me of a funny engineering student I
knew in college. "Before I enrolled in engineering school," he would
say, "I couldn't spell engineer. Now I are one."

I don't know if that was original with him, though.