On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-5, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:28:54 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 07:22:56 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 11:13:32 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
Last scientific experiment of 2017:

Had to make an emergency grocery store run earlier this morning.
20F outside, turned on ignition of wife's Toyota in garage...38F on the
car's exterior thermometer...thank goodness!
Obviously, garage sucks up some heat through insulated house walls, for
which I am thankful because once started, the vehicles warm right up..

Helps too if the sun beams into any garage windows. Amazing what heat there still is in the sun..even this time of year.

Yup, you really appreciate the sun when it is in the 60s. I still am
in my shorts with no shirt walking the dog.

Tried walking our Springer while the wife was at the grocery store picking up tomorrow's supper. Minus 9 with a biting cold wind. No fun at all. I was going to take him down to the major off leash park for a real run but I had enough. He'll have to wait and see if tomorrow is better.

Proof that it's no place for girly men.

wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 07:22:56 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 11:13:32 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
Last scientific experiment of 2017:

Had to make an emergency grocery store run earlier this morning.
20F outside, turned on ignition of wife's Toyota in garage...38F on the
car's exterior thermometer...thank goodness!
Obviously, garage sucks up some heat through insulated house walls, for
which I am thankful because once started, the vehicles warm right up.

Helps too if the sun beams into any garage windows. Amazing what heat
there still is in the sun..even this time of year.

Yup, you really appreciate the sun when it is in the 60s. I still am
in my shorts with no shirt walking the dog.


Hot and humid. Large rain storm on the way back to Jaco from Manuel
Antonio park. At least it waited until shortly after the bus Ickes us up.
Now on the balcony, with a nice breeze to find the ocean. Maybe 78.
Looking about at a,few Pangas, fishing boats and the Star Breeze cruise
ship.

Keyser Soze wrote:

Florida is more like Appalachia the Maryland.
Say what? (I felt dumb typing that).

Nice post, writer.

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:43:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 19:23:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

I've never turned on the heat in this house. If I did, I'm sure those
heating coils would stink like hell from non use.
When my wife was in the building and in the HVAC biz, that was a
regular call. She had people who had their air handler for 3 or 4
years and then had a fire because the tech left the book in there. It
took that long to turn it on. Mine has not been on since I built the
cabinet in the living room with the Dimplex electric fire place. The
1.4KW heater is all she ever needed, then only in the morning before I
get up.

I don't know how that could happen unless the book is placed inside the
air handler by the manufacturer. The installer shouldn't need the book.

That is what happens. The installer is supposed to take the paperwork
out when they put in the toaster wire unit. Sometimes they screw up,
particularly if the AH is in a closet or hanging from unistrut in the
garage and they can't get a good look inside.
Energy codes pretty much made attic installations go away.

CMU walls hold the heat well. We leave a bedroom window open at night
when it's 55-60º for the fresh air.
We always have the windows open if the AC isn't on and we usually have
one of the 24" exhaust fans running on low. If both are on high I
think we turn over the air in the house every few minutes.


What kind of exhaust fans do you have?

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:36 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:
I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee
The exhaust system? Where did you read that?
Yup that is true. If you looked at the old cars, you would see water
dripping out of the tail pipe until it warmed up. If you never got it
hot enough to boil out all the water it would start rusting from the
inside out.

Wouldn't condensation form even after a long trip when the car is turned
off in cold temps?

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:52:15 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:36 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:
I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee
The exhaust system? Where did you read that?
Yup that is true. If you looked at the old cars, you would see water
dripping out of the tail pipe until it warmed up. If you never got it
hot enough to boil out all the water it would start rusting from the
inside out.

Wouldn't condensation form even after a long trip when the car is turned
off in cold temps?

Yes, and here is the reason why:

A gasoline (petrol) molecule is made up as such:

C8H18 (or 8 Carbon atoms and 18 Hydrogen atoms)

Energy is obtained from the combustion of it by the conversion of a hydrocarbon to carbon dioxide
and water. The combustion of octane follows this reaction:

2 C8H18 + 25 O2 - 16 CO2 + 18 H2O

Or better said, you have two of the hydrocarbon atoms along with 25 oxygen atoms, they swirl
together into a mix, the spark plug ignites them, boom, and out the tail pipe comes 16 carbon
dioxide molecules and 18 water molecules ... at least in a perfect world. Some cars don't put out
exactly that ratio. There may be a little bit of carbon monoxide (CO), unburnt hydrocarbons (C8H18),
and/or nitrogen oxide (NO2) coming out of the engine exhaust port along with the CO2 and H2O. In
this case, the catalytic convertor's job is to help clean these up so you can get closer to the
perfect ratio described above.

As described, the water coming out of the tail pipe is a natural occurrence of the combustion
process. You will usually see it coming out of the tail pipe when the engine and exhaust system of
the vehicle is not completely warmed up. When it does become completely warmed up, you won't see it
any more, because it comes out as steam (well, you'll see it in the winter time if it's cold enough,
but you get the idea).

Furthermore, if you believe I wrote the above from the top of my head, you must think I'm Harry.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:52:15 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:36 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:
I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee
The exhaust system? Where did you read that?
Yup that is true. If you looked at the old cars, you would see water
dripping out of the tail pipe until it warmed up. If you never got it
hot enough to boil out all the water it would start rusting from the
inside out.

Wouldn't condensation form even after a long trip when the car is turned
off in cold temps?



===

No, because after a long trip the exhaust system is hot enough to keep
condensation from forming.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:48:51 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:

We always have the windows open if the AC isn't on and we usually have
one of the 24" exhaust fans running on low. If both are on high I
think we turn over the air in the house every few minutes.


What kind of exhaust fans do you have?

They are "Spartan"s that I believe is now handled by Grainger. The
original owner bought them from a local place called Wickes RIP that
was killed by the chains. All the paperwork came with the house along
with the papers on everything else he ever bought.
This is a 24" deal with a 2 speed motor, 1/4hp on high probably about
1/10 on low. and it will pop your ears if you don't have enough
windows open.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:52:15 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:36 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:
I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee
The exhaust system? Where did you read that?
Yup that is true. If you looked at the old cars, you would see water
dripping out of the tail pipe until it warmed up. If you never got it
hot enough to boil out all the water it would start rusting from the
inside out.

Wouldn't condensation form even after a long trip when the car is turned
off in cold temps?

You can get condensation from the ambient air but nothing compared
with the water vapor from the engine exhaust. Once the system is hot,
it takes a while to cool down enough to start condensing water vapor
again. By then the exhaust gas is long gone.

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:02:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:48:51 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:

We always have the windows open if the AC isn't on and we usually have
one of the 24" exhaust fans running on low. If both are on high I
think we turn over the air in the house every few minutes.


What kind of exhaust fans do you have?

They are "Spartan"s that I believe is now handled by Grainger. The
original owner bought them from a local place called Wickes RIP that
was killed by the chains. All the paperwork came with the house along
with the papers on everything else he ever bought.
This is a 24" deal with a 2 speed motor, 1/4hp on high probably about
1/10 on low. and it will pop your ears if you don't have enough
windows open.

Wickes was a small chain, I believe. We had a Wickes around hear years ago.