On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:43:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 19:23:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

I've never turned on the heat in this house. If I did, I'm sure those
heating coils would stink like hell from non use.
When my wife was in the building and in the HVAC biz, that was a
regular call. She had people who had their air handler for 3 or 4
years and then had a fire because the tech left the book in there. It
took that long to turn it on. Mine has not been on since I built the
cabinet in the living room with the Dimplex electric fire place. The
1.4KW heater is all she ever needed, then only in the morning before I
get up.


I don't know how that could happen unless the book is placed inside the
air handler by the manufacturer. The installer shouldn't need the book.


That is what happens. The installer is supposed to take the paperwork
out when they put in the toaster wire unit. Sometimes they screw up,
particularly if the AH is in a closet or hanging from unistrut in the
garage and they can't get a good look inside.
Energy codes pretty much made attic installations go away.

CMU walls hold the heat well. We leave a bedroom window open at night
when it's 55-60º for the fresh air.

We always have the windows open if the AC isn't on and we usually have
one of the 24" exhaust fans running on low. If both are on high I
think we turn over the air in the house every few minutes.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/30/2017 8:41 PM, wrote:

I have never had a car that was tested. I had a 75 Monza that was
tricked up to the point that I knew it would never pass when PG
started testing so I "moved" to my nieces house in Charles county (on
paper) where they didn't test until I moved to Florida (one tag cycle)
but by then I traded the Monza anyway. Down here they never tested.



That really surprised me when we were in Florida. I bought a used Ford
Ranger from a dealer to beat around in. I registered it in Florida and
got insurance from Allstate. The agent at Allstate told me I had to
have it inspected first and I assumed that meant a safety/emissions test
like up here in MA. Turns out it was just a check to make sure there
was no body damage that I could try to claim with Allstate. No safety
or emission tests in Florida.

I think a few big cities (St Pete/Tampa, Miami, maybe Jax) here used
to do emissions tests and they still may but not down here.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:36 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:

I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee

The exhaust system? Where did you read that?

Yup that is true. If you looked at the old cars, you would see water
dripping out of the tail pipe until it warmed up. If you never got it
hot enough to boil out all the water it would start rusting from the
inside out.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:04:50 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That is true, at least for some of the exhaust components like the
muffler. I had a crappy, 1980 T-Bird years ago that the muffler rusted
out prematurely because I only drove it about 3 miles to my office and
the same back every day. Never got hot enough to evaporate the moisture
that collected in it due to condensation. It failed so soon that Ford
hadn't started supplying OEM replacements yet and they had to jury-rig a
replacement on it. Car looked like this one:

https://cdn04.carsforsale.com/3/279685/11061594/899781880.jpg

Yup, one of the major products of gasoline combustion is water vapor
and if the exhaust system is not hot enough, it becomes a still.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:09:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/30/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:12:35 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On 30 Dec 2017 15:41:38 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


Fraid not. In fact, it's difficult to find a snow shovel south of
the Mason/Dixon line.

More of your ignorance. Look up Masons and Dixons Line and get back to us
when you figure out its boundaries.

It is a common mistake. Most people do not know Md and DC are below
the Mason Dixon. In fact it really had little to do with the civil war
at all. It was to settle a property dispute 100 years earlier.
James Taylor and Mark Knopfler have a great song about it.
Beautiful guitar work
"Sailing to Philadelphia"


Actually , I remember crossing that line on I 81 in Md. Tracing
the line doesn't concern me. Southern Md. Is to me, as backward
as Appalachia.

Actually you passed it on the Pennsylvania state line with Maryland.

Southern Md is rapidly losing that rural character you remember as
they keep pushing the acceptable commute from DC farther out.
I am old enough to remember when they thought near in PG near where
the beltway is now was about as far as a DC commuter wanted to drive.
(or take a bus). The WM&A (Maryland) bus service stopped just the
other side of Oxon Hill road in Southlawn. DC Transit stopped at the
DC line and you were walking from there.
If you went any farther than that it was on a Greyhound.



There still are a lot of farms down here and on the other side of the
Pax River past Solomons.

Maryland ranks second in the nation in the percentage of residents with
grad degrees and third in the percentage of residents with undergrad
degrees.

Florida ranks 29th and 31st.

https://is.gd/eqoU8W

Maryland ranks fifth in median hourly wages. Florida isn't in the top 10.

Florida is more like Appalachia the Maryland.

So you have a lot of educated bureaucrats who choose to live away from
DC, What's your point?
I bet any real farmers down there do not figure in those statistics
but I bet most of them are just "tax farmers" growing deductions and
hiding their land from the tax collector by being zoned AG.
All you are doing is making my point that Southern Md has been
genrified by Citiots.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:10:51 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/30/2017 5:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


===

Yes. It's a chilly 68F here in SWFL right now, really too cool to use
the pool comfortably even if the water is warm. The rest of the week
doesn'y look much better but I'm going to try and take the dinghy out
for a spin tomorrow.


You guys really know how to rub it in.


===

Have you tried convincing your wife that the horses would be happier
here? It might really be true.

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The Ocala area is known for their horse farms. Many thoroughbreds are
raised and trained there.

That is true and they have very pretty rolling hills up there. You are
pretty far from the water tho. That is not important of boating is not
your thing.

On 12/30/2017 9:57 PM, Bill wrote:
Alex wrote:
justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!

From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for
the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away
slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block
heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander
starts easily and warms up much faster.

Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.


I wish I could remember to use my remote start when my car has
been baking under the hot Florida sun.

That what I use mine for. No need for the cold days but I have turned
on the heated seats when I get in. Leather can be cold even in temps
around 50º.



My wife’s Venza had everything but seat heaters. Did not realize that
until a couple weeks later when she wanted heated seats. My truck is nice
in the heated seat until you accidentally turn them on in the summer.



Couple of the BMW's I had had both heated and air conditioned seats.
Leather had tiny holes in it that allowed the AC to be ducted through.

On 12/30/2017 11:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:09:50 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/30/2017 5:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.



===

Yes. It's a chilly 68F here in SWFL right now, really too cool to use
the pool comfortably even if the water is warm. The rest of the week
doesn'y look much better but I'm going to try and take the dinghy out
for a spin tomorrow.



You guys really know how to rub it in.



===

Have you tried convincing your wife that the horses would be happier
here? It might really be true.


Richard has the dough to buy a horse farm up river around Alva with a
dock.


Richard has not had an income for 18 years. Been living off the fat, so
to speak. :-)

I could, but Mrs.E. was not so fond of Florida. I liked it but she has
to be happy.

Right now we have other pressing issues up here that I'd rather not
discuss publicly. At some point when they are resolved it will be time
to make a move.

On 12/31/2017 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:53:36 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:

I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee

The exhaust system? Where did you read that?

Yup that is true. If you looked at the old cars, you would see water
dripping out of the tail pipe until it warmed up. If you never got it
hot enough to boil out all the water it would start rusting from the
inside out.



True of new cars also. You probably don't see it as much in Florida but
up here you can easily tell who just started driving with a cold car.
Every time they accelerate water drips out of the exhaust.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 9:57 PM, Bill wrote:
Alex wrote:
justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!

From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for
the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away
slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block
heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander
starts easily and warms up much faster.

Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.


I wish I could remember to use my remote start when my car has
been baking under the hot Florida sun.

That what I use mine for. No need for the cold days but I have turned
on the heated seats when I get in. Leather can be cold even in temps
around 50º.



My wife’s Venza had everything but seat heaters. Did not realize that
until a couple weeks later when she wanted heated seats. My truck is nice
in the heated seat until you accidentally turn them on in the summer.



Couple of the BMW's I had had both heated and air conditioned seats.
Leather had tiny holes in it that allowed the AC to be ducted through.




Was an option, but we missed it on the order.