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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:28:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/28/2017 5:07 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/28/2017 4:27 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:46:48 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 28 December 2017 16:29:26 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 14:20:53 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:38:32 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:13:33 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:30:19 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H wrote:
Our dog, Kiya, the English Pointer, has eaten nothing for the past five days. Three days ago I took
her to the vet for lack of appetite, lethargy, and shivering. Her temp was 104.3, not exceedingly
high, but high. Her blood tests showed a higher than normal white cell count indicating an
infection. They prescribed antibiotics and pain medication. The next day her temp was 105.2,
seriously high. My vet said they could do no more, take her to emergency hospital. They kept her
overnight, did ultrasound and other tests, but could not find the problem. She still wouldn't eat.
That was day five without eating. But, her temp was down to 102. Good sign. They could find nothing
with their tests. Total spent - right at $2000 for vet tests which showed nothing.

We brought her home. She wouldn't eat anything...dry food, wet food, chicken, cat food...nothing.
She drinks a lot of water though. Last night was up and down with her. Drinking water and going out
to pee. Don't know what to do today. Will give her the antibiotics and pain pills and hope.

Tough.

That's rough, John. No one can say your aren't giving her the best care.

She's ending her seventh day without voluntarily eating. We've been feeding her a 'gruel' of
chicken, rice and broth, blended and fed to her with a syringe. She's still here, and seems a bit
more alive than two days ago. We just keep hoping that soon she'll eat on her own. We've tried the
gamut of foods wet and dry dog food, cat food, human food, even a chunk of prime rib. She just acts
like she's averse to food. She still drinks lots of water, though, and that's good. If that stops
we'll call the vet.

What is coming out the other end.

Only urine. My wife said she saw a little drizzle of poop a couple days ago. But that's it. Today
she seems to be cutting back on the water also. I'm hoping that's my imagination.

Hopefully she's not in pain.

Along with two antibiotics, two appetite enhancers, and a joint supplement, she is getting a pain
pill. She doesn't seem to be in pain, although shivering can be a sign of pain. She shivers quite a
bit.

Yesterday she ate, voluntarily, about a half can (cat food sized) of a prescription dog food. We
were thrilled. But that was it, and this morning she threw that up. Now we're force-feeding her baby
food.

Oh boy.... Bronson scared us last spring he wasn't eating or drinking so he ended up in the hospital for a few days getting nourishment and medication from an intravenous drip. his meds cost us about $240.00 per month plus the special Royal Canin Gastrointestinal food that sells for $97.00 + HST per 22 lb bag.
Worth it but he still has milder events every 10-14 days.
Wish the vets could put a label on his condition. They told us he's the only dog in Nova Scotia on YGIA14, a concoction made up by some vet who claims it's better than any other probiotic. Our vet met the guy hawking his stuff at a vet's seminar.

Kiya is drinking, a lot, so fluids aren't a problem. I'm able to get the medication down her, and
her temp is normal now. Today she's eaten about 6oz of baby food, all shoved in her mouth. Don't
know what else to do. She's also started peeing herself at night, something she's never done. During
the day we take her out about every two hours. She used to jump off the bed or bark if she needed to
go during the night. Now she seems to sleep right through it.



Sorta hate to say this John but excessive water drinking can be an
indication of some serious problems including renal failure. My old
Lab, Sam Adams, was doing that towards the end and the vet gently told
me that his days were coming to an end. I hope that's not true in your
case, but be prepared.


Yeah, we've been pretty prepared, but she keeps giving little rays of hope. I mistakenly looked at a
site 'how to tell if your dog is dying'. She is exhibiting several of the signs. If the vet had been
open Christmas day, she probably wouldn't be with us now.



Animals depend on their masters to know when the time has come. Again,
hopefully she will recover but if not, it's the humane thing to do.
Sam Adams was losing his ability to walk. His rear legs would just give
out on him and I could tell he was in pain. I knew it was time.


On Christmas day she seemed very 'wobbly', but she'd eaten nothing for about six days then. Today we
went for a walk, about a third of a mile, and she seemed just fine. But you're right about us making
the decision. As a 'farm boy', it's a decision much easier for me to make than for my wife. That's
the problem. As long as there's a ray of hope, she'll jump on it.
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On Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:48:52 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:28:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/28/2017 5:07 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/28/2017 4:27 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:46:48 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 28 December 2017 16:29:26 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 14:20:53 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:38:32 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:13:33 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:30:19 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H wrote:
Our dog, Kiya, the English Pointer, has eaten nothing for the past five days. Three days ago I took
her to the vet for lack of appetite, lethargy, and shivering.. Her temp was 104.3, not exceedingly
high, but high. Her blood tests showed a higher than normal white cell count indicating an
infection. They prescribed antibiotics and pain medication. The next day her temp was 105.2,
seriously high. My vet said they could do no more, take her to emergency hospital. They kept her
overnight, did ultrasound and other tests, but could not find the problem. She still wouldn't eat.
That was day five without eating. But, her temp was down to 102. Good sign. They could find nothing
with their tests. Total spent - right at $2000 for vet tests which showed nothing.

We brought her home. She wouldn't eat anything...dry food, wet food, chicken, cat food...nothing.
She drinks a lot of water though. Last night was up and down with her. Drinking water and going out
to pee. Don't know what to do today. Will give her the antibiotics and pain pills and hope.

Tough.

That's rough, John. No one can say your aren't giving her the best care.

She's ending her seventh day without voluntarily eating. We've been feeding her a 'gruel' of
chicken, rice and broth, blended and fed to her with a syringe.. She's still here, and seems a bit
more alive than two days ago. We just keep hoping that soon she'll eat on her own. We've tried the
gamut of foods wet and dry dog food, cat food, human food, even a chunk of prime rib. She just acts
like she's averse to food. She still drinks lots of water, though, and that's good. If that stops
we'll call the vet.

What is coming out the other end.

Only urine. My wife said she saw a little drizzle of poop a couple days ago. But that's it. Today
she seems to be cutting back on the water also. I'm hoping that's my imagination.

Hopefully she's not in pain.

Along with two antibiotics, two appetite enhancers, and a joint supplement, she is getting a pain
pill. She doesn't seem to be in pain, although shivering can be a sign of pain. She shivers quite a
bit.

Yesterday she ate, voluntarily, about a half can (cat food sized) of a prescription dog food. We
were thrilled. But that was it, and this morning she threw that up.. Now we're force-feeding her baby
food.

Oh boy.... Bronson scared us last spring he wasn't eating or drinking so he ended up in the hospital for a few days getting nourishment and medication from an intravenous drip. his meds cost us about $240.00 per month plus the special Royal Canin Gastrointestinal food that sells for $97.00 + HST per 22 lb bag.
Worth it but he still has milder events every 10-14 days.
Wish the vets could put a label on his condition. They told us he's the only dog in Nova Scotia on YGIA14, a concoction made up by some vet who claims it's better than any other probiotic. Our vet met the guy hawking his stuff at a vet's seminar.

Kiya is drinking, a lot, so fluids aren't a problem. I'm able to get the medication down her, and
her temp is normal now. Today she's eaten about 6oz of baby food, all shoved in her mouth. Don't
know what else to do. She's also started peeing herself at night, something she's never done. During
the day we take her out about every two hours. She used to jump off the bed or bark if she needed to
go during the night. Now she seems to sleep right through it.



Sorta hate to say this John but excessive water drinking can be an
indication of some serious problems including renal failure. My old
Lab, Sam Adams, was doing that towards the end and the vet gently told
me that his days were coming to an end. I hope that's not true in your
case, but be prepared.

Yeah, we've been pretty prepared, but she keeps giving little rays of hope. I mistakenly looked at a
site 'how to tell if your dog is dying'. She is exhibiting several of the signs. If the vet had been
open Christmas day, she probably wouldn't be with us now.



Animals depend on their masters to know when the time has come. Again,
hopefully she will recover but if not, it's the humane thing to do.
Sam Adams was losing his ability to walk. His rear legs would just give
out on him and I could tell he was in pain. I knew it was time.


On Christmas day she seemed very 'wobbly', but she'd eaten nothing for about six days then. Today we
went for a walk, about a third of a mile, and she seemed just fine. But you're right about us making
the decision. As a 'farm boy', it's a decision much easier for me to make than for my wife. That's
the problem. As long as there's a ray of hope, she'll jump on it.


I share that same hope as your wife. When we lost our 1st Springer Spaniel back in the late '80s, We were waiting for test results on a plug of his skin to come from the big vet college in Guelph Ontario. He died overnight over the grate in our front hall.
The little Cocker Spaniel ran out in front of a car and got run over. She lasted 36 hours between the Emergency Pet Hospital and the Vet's office before dying of internal injuries. Could see the writing on the wall for both but the vets offered hope and we latched onto it. Both dogs probably suffered a bit longer than they had to.
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:59:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/28/2017 7:05 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
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I share that same hope as your wife. When we lost our 1st Springer Spaniel back in the late '80s, We were waiting for test results on a plug of his skin to come from the big vet college in Guelph Ontario. He died overnight over the grate in our front hall.
The little Cocker Spaniel ran out in front of a car and got run over. She lasted 36 hours between the Emergency Pet Hospital and the Vet's office before dying of internal injuries. Could see the writing on the wall for both but the vets offered hope and we latched onto it. Both dogs probably suffered a bit longer than they had to.


Dogs hang on to life as much as humans. As long as they're
having some "good" moments, I won't put them down.



Not all humans want to hang on to life especially if they are terminally
ill. I know of at least two people who's last wishes were to peacefully
pass away.

The difference is that humans can make their wishes known. A dog
cannot. That became the determining factor with my lab. His few "good
moments" were far outnumbered by bad ones and he was in pain despite
medication. It wasn't fair to him to listen to him whimpering at night
in his bed.


Haven't heard a whimper yet. That would definitely be the last straw. Actually haven't seen any real
'bad' moments once the temperature came down.
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:46:16 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 29 December 2017 10:45:02 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 18:05:42 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

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I share that same hope as your wife. When we lost our 1st Springer Spaniel back in the late '80s, We were waiting for test results on a plug of his skin to come from the big vet college in Guelph Ontario. He died overnight over the grate in our front hall.
The little Cocker Spaniel ran out in front of a car and got run over. She lasted 36 hours between the Emergency Pet Hospital and the Vet's office before dying of internal injuries. Could see the writing on the wall for both but the vets offered hope and we latched onto it. Both dogs probably suffered a bit longer than they had to.

Dogs hang on to life as much as humans. As long as they're
having some "good" moments, I won't put them down.



She does seem to be having good moments, for the most part. She gets excited if she sees me get the
leash, outside she walks with her tail in the air, and she enjoys 'lap time'. She doesn't show any
signs of pain whatsoever. This morning she ate, voluntarily, a half cup of Costco rotisserie chicken
mixed with some chopped up prime rib.

I guess we'll just wait and see.


Good news....she may have "turned the corner".


Now she's up to about a cup of chicken/prime rib. She even pooped for the first time in ten days.
We'll see what happens, but I'm hoping you're right!
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