Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote:

He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.


What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming
that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut
due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and
their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will
receive a tax hike.



The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go
up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes
for the 80%the democrats talk about.
As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT
thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the
mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million.
If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything.

Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house.


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For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar
situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive
area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes.

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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.



Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many
Dems.


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Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist
programs. Is he not beholden to the right people?

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On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.



Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many
Dems.


===

Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist
programs. Is he not beholden to the right people?

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Let's try this again:

Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many
Dems.

*Bernie is not a Democrat.*

That's why not.

Sheesh.

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.
.....

M’man! That is until the corrupt DNC shafted him over..

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote:

He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.


What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming
that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut
due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and
their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will
receive a tax hike.



The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go
up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes
for the 80%the democrats talk about.
As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT
thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the
mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million.
If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything.

Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house.


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For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar
situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive
area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes.

Oh I realize that, but that's not average. Probably for that immediate area, but not for America. This was on NBC national news.

My point was that NBC picked a couple living in a very expensive area then posed them and their situation as average. Seems like it was Greg that pointed out that these coastal "elites" live in a bubble and don't seem to have a clue what it's like across this country for normal people.

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On 12/20/2017 3:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote:

He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.


What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming
that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut
due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats
and
their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will
receive a tax hike.





Which party has a history of lying the most?



I'd say Hillary.

Nope. Trump is far, far worse.


Trump lies about the size of his rallies. Hillary lies about top secret
emails on a private server.

Take your pick.

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On 12/20/2017 3:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.



Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many
Dems.


Funny. Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016.

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On 12/20/2017 4:24 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.



Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many
Dems.


===

Why not?Â* He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist
programs.Â* Is he not beholden to the right people?

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Let's try this again:

Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many
Dems.

*Bernie is not a Democrat.*

That's why not.

Sheesh.



Only goes to show how closed some people's minds are.

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On 12/20/2017 4:24 PM, Tim wrote:

He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.
....

M’man! That is until the corrupt DNC shafted him over..



Elimination of the individual mandate thing is another issue
the Dems are making a wacky example of.

Anyone paying the penalty ... err.. I mean tax isn't buying insurance.

So how do 13 million lose health insurance due to the elimination of the
individual mandate?

Most working people get health insurance through their employer.

Watching Bernie today on Wolf
 

On 12/20/17 4:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 3:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to
buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good
spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried
so hard to stop him in 2016.



Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would
many Dems.


Funny.Â* Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016.

There's no conflict between my statement and those actions. Bernie
wanted the Dem nomination and claimed back then he was a Dem. That was a
lie.