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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose
health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
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On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? I'd say Hillary. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/17 1:48 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? No major league politician lies more than Donald Trump. It's been documented more than once. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/17 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? I'd say Hillary. Nope. Trump is far, far worse. |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. === For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. ..... M’man! That is until the corrupt DNC shafted him over.. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. === For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. Oh I realize that, but that's not average. Probably for that immediate area, but not for America. This was on NBC national news. My point was that NBC picked a couple living in a very expensive area then posed them and their situation as average. Seems like it was Greg that pointed out that these coastal "elites" live in a bubble and don't seem to have a clue what it's like across this country for normal people. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 3:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? I'd say Hillary. Nope. Trump is far, far worse. Trump lies about the size of his rallies. Hillary lies about top secret emails on a private server. Take your pick. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 3:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. Funny. Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016. |
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On 12/20/2017 4:24 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not?* He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs.* Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. Only goes to show how closed some people's minds are. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 4:24 PM, Tim wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. .... M’man! That is until the corrupt DNC shafted him over.. Elimination of the individual mandate thing is another issue the Dems are making a wacky example of. Anyone paying the penalty ... err.. I mean tax isn't buying insurance. So how do 13 million lose health insurance due to the elimination of the individual mandate? Most working people get health insurance through their employer. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/17 4:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 3:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. Funny.* Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016. There's no conflict between my statement and those actions. Bernie wanted the Dem nomination and claimed back then he was a Dem. That was a lie. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 4:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 4:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 3:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? I'd say Hillary. Nope. Trump is far, far worse. Trump lies about the size of his rallies.* Hillary lies about top secret emails on a private server. Take your pick. Here's a vid on Trump's lies... https://is.gd/Jnxm3v And here's the list: Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated: The president is still lying, so we've added to this list, taking it through Nov. 11, and provided links to the facts in each case. (stupid list snipped) Has Trump lied about sending/receiving top secret, government emails on a private server? |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:29:15 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. === For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. Oh I realize that, but that's not average. Probably for that immediate area, but not for America. This was on NBC national news. My point was that NBC picked a couple living in a very expensive area then posed them and their situation as average. Seems like it was Greg that pointed out that these coastal "elites" live in a bubble and don't seem to have a clue what it's like across this country for normal people. === I spent most of my adult years working and living in that area, and I since I grew up in an economically depressed region, I was very aware of the rest of the country. Many people from all over the world migrate to the NY metro area because of the career opportunities and most of them are aware also. Salaries are higher than average, sometimes much higher, but a great deal of that gets eaten up by taxes and the high cost of housing. I would posit that successful small town businessmen and professionals enjoy a much higher overall standard of living on average. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 12/20/17 4:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 4:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 4:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 3:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? I'd say Hillary. Nope. Trump is far, far worse. Trump lies about the size of his rallies.* Hillary lies about top secret emails on a private server. Take your pick. Here's a vid on Trump's lies... https://is.gd/Jnxm3v And here's the list: Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated: The president is still lying, so we've added to this list, taking it through Nov. 11, and provided links to the facts in each case. (stupid list snipped) Has Trump lied about sending/receiving top secret, government emails on a private server? He and his family and staff do it face to face while they launder the money they get from the Russians and Turks. |
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Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. == For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. Oh I realize that, but that's not average. Probably for that immediate area, but not for America. This was on NBC national news. My point was that NBC picked a couple living in a very expensive area then posed them and their situation as average. Seems like it was Greg that pointed out that these coastal "elites" live in a bubble and don't seem to have a clue what it's like across this country for normal people. My city is considered middle class. Somehow. Has 4th highest average income for a city it’s size in the USA. My house I bought in 1979 for $138,5k is now a $1.3million abode. Thanks to. Lint on policies making housing unaffordable in lots of the country. But, we are not really middle class for most country. We are in the upper 7-10% group. Which is a long ways from real middle. |
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Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text - Funny. Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016. —— Exactly! That turned me and several others away. Most that I knew of went Gary. I voted a write-in even though Harry thinks that Trump is “my boy”. Lol! |
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On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:29:15 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything.. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. === For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. Oh I realize that, but that's not average. Probably for that immediate area, but not for America. This was on NBC national news. My point was that NBC picked a couple living in a very expensive area then posed them and their situation as average. Seems like it was Greg that pointed out that these coastal "elites" live in a bubble and don't seem to have a clue what it's like across this country for normal people. === I spent most of my adult years working and living in that area, and I since I grew up in an economically depressed region, I was very aware of the rest of the country. Many people from all over the world migrate to the NY metro area because of the career opportunities and most of them are aware also. Salaries are higher than average, sometimes much higher, but a great deal of that gets eaten up by taxes and the high cost of housing. I would posit that successful small town businessmen and professionals enjoy a much higher overall standard of living on average. I absolutely agree with that last sentence. I wouldn't live in one of those hellholes. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Even CNN has this tool to see what you will save. I tried a variety of scenarios and *all* resolved in a cut. Mine is far less than the middle class as it's defined... http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politi...ill/index.html |
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wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. What's a mortgage? |
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Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Even CNN has this tool to see what you will save. I tried a variety of scenarios and *all* resolved in a cut. Mine is far less than the middle class as it's defined... http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politi...ill/index.html Looks like I save 3.1% |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. That is just the rarified air that coastal democrats live in. The median price of a home in the US is $188,900. You know, the people who elected Trump. Millionaire talking heads on TV are not talking about the average anything no matter what they say. They choose to forget the little town they came from when they get to the network. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:24:50 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. So you really are a yellow dog democrat, even when you are throwing a true liberal under the bus because he won't put a D next to his name. He caucuses with the democrats and votes with them pretty much 100% |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 21 Dec 2017 05:20:51 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:24:50 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. So you really are a yellow dog democrat, even when you are throwing a true liberal under the bus because he won't put a D next to his name. He caucuses with the democrats and votes with them pretty much 100% I dont vote for republicans or third party candidates in federal elections or state elections. === Well that should save you from putting a lot of thought into it. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:45:20 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Even CNN has this tool to see what you will save. I tried a variety of scenarios and *all* resolved in a cut. Mine is far less than the middle class as it's defined... http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politi...ill/index.html Looks like I save 3.1% After tax income goes up 2.4% here but ~$2500 is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. It is not as good as the $3k I guessed tho. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/21/17 1:01 AM, wrote:
On 21 Dec 2017 05:20:51 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:24:50 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. So you really are a yellow dog democrat, even when you are throwing a true liberal under the bus because he won't put a D next to his name. He caucuses with the democrats and votes with them pretty much 100% I don’t vote for republicans or third party candidates in federal elections or state elections. === Well that should save you from putting a lot of thought into it. There's nothing much to think about in Republicans. They are against just about everything that was decent about the United States as it related to the health, welfare, environment, safety of its citizens, protection of public lands, et cetera, and care only for increasing the wealth of the wealthy...the list is practically endless. The asshole Republicans haven't even gotten around to funding the CHIP program. Why would I need to think further about voting for Republican pond scum? |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/21/2017 6:44 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/21/17 1:01 AM, wrote: On 21 Dec 2017 05:20:51 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:24:50 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not?* He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs.* Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. So you really are a yellow dog democrat, even when you are throwing a true liberal under the bus because he won't put a D next to his name. He caucuses with the democrats and votes with them pretty much 100% I don’t vote for republicans or third party candidates in federal elections or state elections. === Well that should save you from putting a lot of thought into it. There's nothing much to think about in Republicans. They are against just about everything that was decent about the United States as it related to the health, welfare, environment, safety of its citizens, protection of public lands, et cetera, and care only for increasing the wealth of the wealthy...the list is practically endless. The asshole Republicans haven't even gotten around to funding the CHIP program. Why would I need to think further about voting for Republican pond scum? More Pelosi/Schumer propaganda. The progressive left complains (correctly) about how far right the GOP has become since Eisenhower, who today would be considered a moderate Democrat. But the progressive left ignores (wrongly) about how far left the Dems have become since the days of JFK, who today would be considered a moderate Republican. And BAO wonders why the divide is widening. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 5:44:47 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/21/17 1:01 AM, wrote: On 21 Dec 2017 05:20:51 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:24:50 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. So you really are a yellow dog democrat, even when you are throwing a true liberal under the bus because he won't put a D next to his name. He caucuses with the democrats and votes with them pretty much 100% I don’t vote for republicans or third party candidates in federal elections or state elections. === Well that should save you from putting a lot of thought into it. There's nothing much to think about in Republicans. They are against just about everything that was decent about the United States as it related to the health, welfare, environment, safety of its citizens, protection of public lands, et cetera, and care only for increasing the wealth of the wealthy...the list is practically endless. The asshole Republicans haven't even gotten around to funding the CHIP program. Why would I need to think further about voting for Republican pond scum? I noticed in your screed, that you mentioned 'health, welfare, environment safety of its citizens' Well, Look who is the head of the local governments of the most crime infested, low unemployed, worst infrastructure, highest debt and most on welfare. The majority of leadership isn't made up of 'republican pond scum' |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/21/2017 8:21 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... And BAO wonders why the divide is widening. I don't know where you got that idea. I have stated here many times that the gap is narrowing. As old cracker reactionaries die off, the gap narrows more. We've made a lot of progress. It's a much better America that when I was a kid. And I've more than once said it'll all come out in the wash. Common sense always prevails in America - eventually. That's why Trump's approval rating is in the tank. No, Trump's approval rating is in the tank due to over a year's worth of progressive liberal propaganda. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/21/17 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/21/2017 8:21 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... And BAO wonders why the divide is widening. I don't know where you got that idea.* I have stated here many times that the gap is narrowing. As old cracker reactionaries die off, the gap narrows more. We've made a lot of progress. It's a much better America that when I was a kid. And I've more than once said it'll all come out in the wash. Common sense always prevails in America - eventually. That's why Trump's approval rating is in the tank. No, Trump's approval rating is in the tank due to over a year's worth of progressive liberal propaganda. Trump is in the tank because of his behavior, his comments, and his never-ending childish outrageousness. He's an incompetent asshole and goniff. |
Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/21/2017 8:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/21/17 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/21/2017 8:21 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... And BAO wonders why the divide is widening. I don't know where you got that idea.* I have stated here many times that the gap is narrowing. As old cracker reactionaries die off, the gap narrows more. We've made a lot of progress. It's a much better America that when I was a kid. And I've more than once said it'll all come out in the wash. Common sense always prevails in America - eventually. That's why Trump's approval rating is in the tank. No, Trump's approval rating is in the tank due to over a year's worth of progressive liberal propaganda. Trump is in the tank because of his behavior, his comments, and his never-ending childish outrageousness. He's an incompetent asshole and goniff. I rest my case. |
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