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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was happening generally". |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was happening generally". Science: https://is.gd/HyUr4s |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? === There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk. From Wikipedia: --------------------------------------------------- Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th-safest in personal safety.[7] During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8] -------------------------------------------------------- I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics increased. [1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009. [2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on January 18, 2015. [3] http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870 [4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New York Times. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? === There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk. From Wikipedia: --------------------------------------------------- Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th-safest in personal safety.[7] During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8] -------------------------------------------------------- I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics increased. [1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009. [2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on January 18, 2015. [3] http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870 [4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New York Times. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Why isn't Rahm privy to all this information? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:27:53 -0500,
wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? === There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk. From Wikipedia: --------------------------------------------------- Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th-safest in personal safety.[7] During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8] -------------------------------------------------------- I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics increased. [1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009. [2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on January 18, 2015. [3] http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870 [4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New York Times. The part of stop and frisk that Harry and the rest of the lefty elite ignores is, to be able to stop and frisk people the cops have to get out of their cars and walk around. Once they do that, they get to know the neighborhood, figure out who should be watched more closely and who should be stopped. It is called community policing. The NYPD is also running a very effective gang unit and that helps identify who the troublemakers actually are. Most of the violence in the cities is gang related. Some estimate that accounts for 80% of the murders in places like Chicago and Baltimore. |
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