On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.

On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching Jupiter
inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the inlet due
to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day. The guy
sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.

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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.

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I thought they were going way to fast for conditions.

Bill Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.

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I thought they were going way to fast for conditions.



Lumpy without the frosting on top. Usually seas like thatare
acompanied with much more white capping. My opinion is that
going slower would have caused the boat to toss around much more.
I'm shure the captain adjusted his speed for the most comfortable
safe ride. It's a case of you had to be there to know how to
handle it.
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:59:32 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Bill Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.

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I thought they were going way to fast for conditions.



Lumpy without the frosting on top. Usually seas like thatare
acompanied with much more white capping. My opinion is that
going slower would have caused the boat to toss around much more.
I'm shure the captain adjusted his speed for the most comfortable
safe ride. It's a case of you had to be there to know how to
handle it.

===

The most comfortable ride is not necessarily the safest. Surfing
between two waves can be fun and fast right up until it isn't. Riding
the back of a wave can feel slow and awkward but it will generally
keep you out of trouble. The one thing you definitely don't want is
to suddenly crest over the top and down the other side. That's a
sure a recipe for stuffing the bow.

justan wrote:
Bill Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.

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I thought they were going way to fast for conditions.



Lumpy without the frosting on top. Usually seas like thatare
acompanied with much more white capping. My opinion is that
going slower would have caused the boat to toss around much more.
I'm shure the captain adjusted his speed for the most comfortable
safe ride. It's a case of you had to be there to know how to
handle it.

Comfort is down the list. Safety is the primary item. And the video
shows they were not safe. Wind gives white caps, but currents give nasty
waves. Look at the whitewater river passages. We get really nasty
waters near the Golden Gate Bridge. Called the Potato Patch. (Supposedly
a ship lost a load of potatoes there in the 1800’s). You get a 9 knot
outgoing current from the Bay hitting a cross current, or the outgo hitting
the change of tides.

On 10/30/2017 10:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.


I remember heading for an inlet to the ICW after an offshore run with
some very large, short period and fast moving swells following right on
the stern.

The channel was narrow, so there really was no choice but to head
directly towards the inlet. Every time the stern would lift as one of
the swells passed under the boat, I could feel the rudders lose bite and
the bow would plant it's self off in a totally different heading. It
was nerve wracking.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 05:33:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2017 10:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:17:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2017 12:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:18:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

This could also be titled "How Not to Run an Inlet in Heavy Weather."
Burying the bow into the back of the wave in front is not unusual but
this is a bit extreme and with the wrong boat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BayTiEmneTm/

Some guys I know were going out of the inlet at St James City into
those standing waves in a 24' Carolina skiff. at night. They got
sideways to the sea and flipped it. Everyone got out OK but it was
scary. They were able to swim home, get another boat and go get the
skiff.



There's a video somewhere on YouTube of a 48 foot sportsfish capsizing
in the same manner leaving Jupiter Inlet. The boat's captain fell out
and drowned.

Here's a video of some guys on a 34' center console approaching
Jupiter inlet. It shows how it gets rougher as you get closer to the
inlet due to the shallow water. (and this wasn't a really *bad* day.
The guy sitting in front of the console gets soaked at about 2:18 into
the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8notH7LZnM

That takes some expert throttle control.


===

Best strategy in my experience is to run slower than the waves with
the bow trimmed well up. Once you crest a wave and drive down into
the next one in front, you never know what's going to happen. I've
been on 50 ft sailboats where we've taken solid green water all the
way back to the mast after surfing into the wave in front.


I remember heading for an inlet to the ICW after an offshore run with
some very large, short period and fast moving swells following right on
the stern.

The channel was narrow, so there really was no choice but to head
directly towards the inlet. Every time the stern would lift as one of
the swells passed under the boat, I could feel the rudders lose bite and
the bow would plant it's self off in a totally different heading. It
was nerve wracking.


===

It certainly is. The loss of steering control is what leads to boats
being turned sideways to a breaking wave, with a subsequent broach or
capsize. Even larger boats are vulnerable if caught sideways in the
curl. On our first transit of Barnegat inlet in New Jersey there was
an 80 foot commercial fishing boat high and dry on a sand bar to port
after being broached out of the channel. If they'd been broached to
starboard it would have taken them into the breakwater rocks.

It has been calculated that a breaking wave slightly higher than half
your boat's beam can cause a capsize. For the average trailerable
boat with a beam of 8 1/2 feet that's a wave height of less than 5 ft,
a fairly common occurrence near ocean inlets.

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