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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:00:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.** I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.*** If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.

In his desire to be Mr. Quick Draw McGraw with the negative comments, he sometimes allows the big
'whooooosh' to go right through that black cloud hanging over his head.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


10:49 AMJohn H
- show quoted text -
Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.
....

Odd, for some reason gmail had it stuck In "Drafts"

You should have it now...

Got it and replied with a spectacular idea!

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 11:58:32 -0400, John H
wrote:

Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.

In his desire to be Mr. Quick Draw McGraw with the negative comments, he sometimes allows the big
'whooooosh' to go right through that black cloud hanging over his head.

===

Hopefully his comprehension will improve with maturity, whenever that
happens.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?

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On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.


True, but quality does cost extra.

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On 10/10/17 3:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.


True, but quality does cost extra.



It depends on how quality is defined. It doesn't always cost more.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:53:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.** I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.*** If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.


True, but quality does cost extra.

You got a liberal's reply from Krause on that one! Sounds almost like:

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

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On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:31:10 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.

The Ditzy one feels that by throwing his money around, he'll have the best. Just look at his 70+ guns.

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On 10/10/2017 11:19 AM, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns' posts, but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront access. I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to neutral. With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it was hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into deeper water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything unusual so I continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after retrieving the boat did I see a chunk missing out of one of my aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a new one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of brightly coloured floating balls stretched along where I went about 40-50 feet offshore. Now I know why they were there. I should send a letter to Crosby complaining that he should have left the 'barrier' out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.


Curiosity killed the cat. In this case, a propeller. And
remember, IO boats draw about 3 feet of water. Also, property
owners sometimes drop an obsticle just below the low water line
to deter stalkers and other wrongdoers. Hope you learned your
lesson.



The little lake we spent summers at when I was a kid was popular with
waterskiers from out of town on weekends. The boats pulling them would
sometimes make a turn right in the cove, in front of our cottage between
the shore and the moored raft we had to swim out to. Used to **** my
father off because us "kids" might be swimming in that area.

One day he came home with a bunch of Styrofoam "heads" that stores use
to display ladys's hats or necklaces on. He put bathing caps on them,
attached a line to them and the other end to half of a concrete block.
He put six or seven of them in the water near the raft. It worked.

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On 10/10/2017 11:47 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:34:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 7:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You are thinking of selling it? Let me know when. I'll allow a fair
profit.

Just hold on. Got some work to do first. It's nice to see a few folks showing interest already!


Based on the pic I saw it doesn't seem to need all that much work and it
has very nice lines. I think you are just trying to drive the price up.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:18:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The little lake we spent summers at when I was a kid was popular with
waterskiers from out of town on weekends. The boats pulling them would
sometimes make a turn right in the cove, in front of our cottage between
the shore and the moored raft we had to swim out to. Used to **** my
father off because us "kids" might be swimming in that area.

One day he came home with a bunch of Styrofoam "heads" that stores use
to display ladys's hats or necklaces on. He put bathing caps on them,
attached a line to them and the other end to half of a concrete block.
He put six or seven of them in the water near the raft. It worked.


I think that if you tied them up with "braid" fishing line it would
deter boaters after the first time.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:20:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 11:47 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:34:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 7:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You are thinking of selling it? Let me know when. I'll allow a fair
profit.

Just hold on. Got some work to do first. It's nice to see a few folks showing interest already!


Based on the pic I saw it doesn't seem to need all that much work and it
has very nice lines. I think you are just trying to drive the price up.


Caught. :)

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John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.
Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.
How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.
Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You made a good buy. You'll do fine when you upgrade.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a
long time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality.
You can't add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas
grills, lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)

Where did I say that, expert?

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John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:14:00 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.
Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.
How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.
Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.
What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You gonna get another arent you?
It'll be a while before it goes up for sale. Still have a bit of work to do on her. If and when I
sell it, I'm hoping to afford something a bit bigger, but not much.

I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it.

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just to add a few bucks to the
resale value?


Repower with twin Yanmars. Two of these should fit...

http://www.yanmarmarine.com/Products...nes/1GM10-325/

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True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:31:10 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.

The Ditzy one feels that by throwing his money around, he'll have the
best. Just look at his 70+ guns.


Guns will appreciate pretty much. Probably a better return than a CD these
days.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter
V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong
boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then
running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last
time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember
the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You
can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He
said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may
add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)

Interesting response.

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Alex wrote:
John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:14:00 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.
Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.
How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.
Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a
profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.
What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You
gonna get another arent you?
It'll be a while before it goes up for sale. Still have a bit of work to
do on her. If and when I
sell it, I'm hoping to afford something a bit bigger, but not much.

I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in
writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it.

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just
to add a few bucks to the
resale value?


Repower with twin Yanmars. Two of these should fit...

http://www.yanmarmarine.com/Products...nes/1GM10-325/


Hard to find the single cylinder in there.

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Tim wrote:
10:49 AMJohn H
- show quoted text -
Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.
....

Odd, for some reason gmail had it stuck In "Drafts"

You should have it now...


Like my starter? The check it ready to go. Just need to fill in the
amount!

No worries - it's a backup anyway...

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site.
I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter
V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the
wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then
running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last
time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember
the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to
never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the
2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a
long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You
can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value.
He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it
may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.


Again, you are making bad assumptions. I said: "it pays to spend a few
extra bucks *for* quality."

Here's an example so you don't get too stressed out over your dumb remark...

I used to buy gas grills about every other year. They would rust out
and fall apart. I paid a bit more and bought a nice, stainless Weber
that has served us well for over 10 years now. It is also larger, cooks
evenly, and still looks great.

Get it now?

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John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:20:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 11:47 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:34:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 7:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You are thinking of selling it? Let me know when. I'll allow a fair
profit.

Just hold on. Got some work to do first. It's nice to see a few folks showing interest already!


Based on the pic I saw it doesn't seem to need all that much work and it
has very nice lines. I think you are just trying to drive the price up.


Caught. :)


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True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:31:10 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.

The Ditzy one feels that by throwing his money around, he'll have the best. Just look at his 70+ guns.


There's lots to say about what you throw your money away on. You
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 3:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 2:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site.
I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+
liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the
wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and
then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The
last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter
are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't
remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of
state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to
never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard
but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a
reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned
a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality.
You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in
value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it
may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)


Another brain fart, Harry?


Spending more is no assurance of better quality, whatever that means.


True, but quality does cost extra.



It depends on how quality is defined. It doesn't always cost more.

I didn't write that either, Krause. Again, I wrote "it pays to spend a
few extra bucks _for_ quality", not in anticipation of better quality as
you refuse to understand. You know damn well Don has made some poor
decisions in his boat buying escapades and have said nothing. You
wouldn't want to lose your little puppy over that, would you?

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On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 7:05:25 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
Tim wrote:
10:49 AMJohn H
- show quoted text -
Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.
....

Odd, for some reason gmail had it stuck In "Drafts"

You should have it now...


Like my starter? The check it ready to go. Just need to fill in the
amount!

No worries - it's a backup anyway...

Oh MY! forgot to get it out the door. it's ready to go and was the day I got it. stupid of me to forget it.. Im sorry about that. You should have calledd me. anyhow, asap....

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:59:52 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Guns will appreciate pretty much. Probably a better return than a CD these
days.

These days CDs are barely better than keeping your money in a ammo can
in the garage.
Guns may become pretty expensive soon since there is usually a run on
them as soon as the left decides it is time to "do something".
On the other hand, if you bought Raytheon a year ago you are up over
25%

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Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter
V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong
boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then
running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last
time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember
the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You
can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He
said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may
add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)

Interesting response.


I wondered if the Alzheimer’s has arrived with gusto with his response.

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:04:24 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just
to add a few bucks to the
resale value?


Repower with twin Yanmars. Two of these should fit...

http://www.yanmarmarine.com/Products...nes/1GM10-325/


Hard to find the single cylinder in there.

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Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 7:05:25 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
Tim wrote:
10:49 AMJohn H
- show quoted text -
Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.
....

Odd, for some reason gmail had it stuck In "Drafts"

You should have it now...

Like my starter? The check it ready to go. Just need to fill in the
amount!

No worries - it's a backup anyway...
Oh MY! forgot to get it out the door. it's ready to go and was the day I got it. stupid of me to forget it.. Im sorry about that. You should have calledd me. anyhow, asap....

It's all good, Tim. No rush!

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:59:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:14:00 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.
Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.
How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.
Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.
What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You gonna get another arent you?
It'll be a while before it goes up for sale. Still have a bit of work to do on her. If and when I
sell it, I'm hoping to afford something a bit bigger, but not much.

I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it.

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just to add a few bucks to the
resale value?


Repower with twin Yanmars. Two of these should fit...

http://www.yanmarmarine.com/Products...nes/1GM10-325/

Might have a hard time getting my money back out of those.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 7:05:25 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
Tim wrote:
10:49 AMJohn H
- show quoted text -
Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.
....

Odd, for some reason gmail had it stuck In "Drafts"

You should have it now...


Like my starter? The check it ready to go. Just need to fill in the
amount!

No worries - it's a backup anyway...

Oh MY! forgot to get it out the door. it's ready to go and was the day I got it. stupid of me to forget it.. Im sorry about that. You should have calledd me. anyhow, asap....

Yeah, Alex. It's your own damn fault!

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:12:45 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:20:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 11:47 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:34:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 7:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You are thinking of selling it? Let me know when. I'll allow a fair
profit.

Just hold on. Got some work to do first. It's nice to see a few folks showing interest already!


Based on the pic I saw it doesn't seem to need all that much work and it
has very nice lines. I think you are just trying to drive the price up.


Caught. :)


Trying to get a bidding war going?

Hey, if it happens it happens! You folks just have to wait 'til I get it fixed up a bit. I'm getting
a lot of advice from Tim, who has big time experience with 'older' boats.