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On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:36:45 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.

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On 10/9/2017 10:10 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

===

Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

My area in MA is populated with many cranberry bogs the water for which
comes from numerous natural ponds and small lakes. Some have public
launching areas for fishing boats and those looking to go water skiing.

Years ago many of the ocean going, weekend warriors who trailered their
I/O's started stopping on their way home on a small lake where we used
to spend the summers to launch their boat and roar around the lake a few
times to rinse the salt out of the engines, risers, etc.

Town put an end to that practice fast.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 09:25:51 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:08 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


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Aparently it is to you. Unless you can show me how it's done. Then
I'll give you a formal apology.


http://www.quickflushvalve.com/editorial

http://www.quickflushvalve.com/how-it-works.html

I assume this works sort of like the fresh water flush on a modern
outboard, in which you screw in a garden hose to a receptacle on the
rear or side of the engine and turn on the water, with the hose pressure
forcing the water through the engine and out through the lower unit.

I had this feature on my 2012 Mercury 60hp Big Foot outboard. I would flush it this way and then the old fashioned muff method anytime I boated in salt water.

I put 3000+ hours on my 60 big foot and it was never flushed. It did
not sit around that much either.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:02:15 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:57:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)


===

It would be a heck of a lot easier than removing and replacing that
lower piece of cowling. That's probably necessary if you're going to
replace the gear lube however.


The plugs for the gear lube are below the cavitation plate so you can
get right at them.
I am not sure why Yamaha hides the engine drain plug behind the lower
cowl. It is not on all models. Mine is in the open, on the back of the
leg. (F70)
On the merc it was on the side but there was a hole in the cowl so you
could get to it.
I still use the suck it out method most of the time. There is no
spilling so I can do it on the lift.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.

---

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This is what I use:

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--manual-oil-changer-2-9-quart--11097714?recordNum=2

Probably the same thing. I think you can get them for less if you
shop around.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:21:31 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.

===

Old joke: Do you know how to tell when a dealer is lying?

Answer: When their lips are moving.

In fairness to your dealer they may last longer in Nova Scotia because
of the cold water and short season, especially if you flush regularly.

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9:57 AMTrue North
On Monday, 9 October 2017 07:36:43 UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:
- show quoted text -
I always did this after salt water use...even with my outboards.
I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy...especially with new stuff.
....

My boats are fresh water but even after I get home I still flush em out. One small lake is loaded with algae and the boat needs the pond scum washed off anyhow so...

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

9:57 AMTrue North
On Monday, 9 October 2017 07:36:43 UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:
- show quoted text -
I always did this after salt water use...even with my outboards.
I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy...especially with new stuff.
...

My boats are fresh water but even after I get home I still flush em out. One small lake is loaded with algae and the boat needs the pond scum washed off anyhow so...

I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-)

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

===

If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q

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5:57
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
- show quoted text -
===

If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q
- show quoted text -
.....

Good call Wayne. And if I lived there I probably would. Only thing I really use the well for is to wash my hands and flush the can....

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:57:38 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

===

If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q

I put a filter like that on my well and it was plugged up in a week or
two. Now I have it just feeding the R/O.
One of my neighbors went with a swimming pool filter.

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wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought
the water was quite salty!

===

Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

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My boat is closed cooling and the risers are the only raw water cooled
engine part.

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True North wrote:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs'
, put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the
engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum
type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to
touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.


My pan has an oil drain hose that I put through the transom plug drain.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/9/17 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

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The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.




Plus, the captains get to play with the ball bearings they carry around
in their pockets.


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True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:36:45 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.


Your dealer? Same dealer who sold you that tin boat?
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Wrote in message:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:57:38 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

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If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q

I put a filter like that on my well and it was plugged up in a week or
two. Now I have it just feeding the R/O.
One of my neighbors went with a swimming pool filter.


They have backflush systemsthat sanitize well water as well as
filter particals. Only maintenance is adding liquid
chlorine.
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On Monday, 9 October 2017 13:56:14 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.

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This is what I use:

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--manual-oil-changer-2-9-quart--11097714?recordNum=2

Probably the same thing. I think you can get them for less if you
shop around.

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I'll be gettin' me one of these in about 3 years.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 20:28:58 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs'
, put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the
engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum
type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to
touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.


My pan has an oil drain hose that I put through the transom plug drain.

My Bayliner came with that option. I asked the service guy if it should be connected. he said no...they prefer the industrial version of the item Wayne provided a link to.

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True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 14:00:09 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:21:31 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.

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Old joke: Do you know how to tell when a dealer is lying?

Answer: When their lips are moving.

In fairness to your dealer they may last longer in Nova Scotia because
of the cold water and short season, especially if you flush regularly.

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I think he was referring to Prince Edward Island that probably has a bit less salt than the Atlantic Ocean...considering the St Lawrence dumps a lot of fresh water into the Gulf not to mention a few other good size rivers.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 20:58:50 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:36:45 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.


Your dealer? Same dealer who sold you that tin boat?
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Duh...no.. different dealer.
The Legend came from the guy in New Glasgow, NS....my Bayliner came from the dealer in Charlottetown, P.E.I.

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True North wrote:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:36:45 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.
Bingo...and I do flush religiously.
For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.
My dealer told me 10-12 years.

Of course he did. You believe everything they say. Remember the last
dealer?

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.

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On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)

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On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:14:00 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood..
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.

What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You gonna get another arent you?

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:14:00 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.

What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You gonna get another arent you?

It'll be a while before it goes up for sale. Still have a bit of work to do on her. If and when I
sell it, I'm hoping to afford something a bit bigger, but not much.

I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it.

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just to add a few bucks to the
resale value?

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


You didn't understand a word he said. Sad to see your brain
turning to mush.
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On 10/10/2017 7:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You are thinking of selling it? Let me know when. I'll allow a fair
profit.

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"I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it. "

Lol! I'll probably go for the MV Augusta first. Or maybe a vintage Guzzi. No, I've already got a couple of those.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:09:09 -0400, John H
wrote:

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.

What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You gonna get another arent you?

It'll be a while before it goes up for sale. Still have a bit of work to do on her. If and when I
sell it, I'm hoping to afford something a bit bigger, but not much.

I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it.

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just to add a few bucks to the
resale value?

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.

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On 10/10/17 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases?Â* I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later.Â* Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


Reading comprehension. Where did he say they increase in value. He said
for a few bucks more, you get much better quality. In the end it may add
value. Might last a lot longer.


D'oh is not a deer, a female deer. :)

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True North Wrote in message:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns' posts, but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront access. I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to neutral. With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it was hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into deeper water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything unusual so I continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after retrieving the boat did I see a chunk missing out of one of my aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a new one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of brightly coloured floating balls stretched along where I went about 40-50 feet offshore. Now I know why they were there. I should send a letter to Crosby complaining that he should have left the 'barrier' out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.


Curiosity killed the cat. In this case, a propeller. And
remember, IO boats draw about 3 feet of water. Also, property
owners sometimes drop an obsticle just below the low water line
to deter stalkers and other wrongdoers. Hope you learned your
lesson.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/9/17 8:35 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.


Wow...major appliances, gas grills, lawnmowers, cars, and boats
appreciate in value, eh, Alex? Who would have guessed. :)


You didn't understand a word he said. Sad to see your brain
turning to mush.

Pathetically humorous.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:34:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/10/2017 7:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:35:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.
The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.
My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

How much have you lost on your other boat purchases? I learned a long
time ago that it pays to spend a few extra bucks for quality. You can't
add it later. Perfect examples are major appliances, gas grills,
lawnmowers, cars, *and* boats.

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.


You are thinking of selling it? Let me know when. I'll allow a fair
profit.

Just hold on. Got some work to do first. It's nice to see a few folks showing interest already!

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:40:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

"I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it. "

Lol! I'll probably go for the MV Augusta first. Or maybe a vintage Guzzi. No, I've already got a couple of those.

Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 10:56:50 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:09:09 -0400, John H
wrote:

Once I get my boat fixed up, waxed, etc., I actually plan to make a profit. We'll see. Right now
just owning it is very pleasurable.

What? you're gonna put it up for sale? Man, you've barely used it. You gonna get another arent you?

It'll be a while before it goes up for sale. Still have a bit of work to do on her. If and when I
sell it, I'm hoping to afford something a bit bigger, but not much.

I'll definitely keep you posted. Hell, you might even be interested in writing the big check, but
I've a feeling there'll be some strong interest in it.

What do you think...should I cover the seats in Corinthian Leather just to add a few bucks to the
resale value?

===

You can't go wrong with Corinthian Leather. The only thing better
would be white rhino foreskin.

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That stuff's hard to find!

While researching that, I came across this story. ****ed me off. Shame there isn't a big bounty on
poachers.

https://www.naturalnews.com/053641_w...inction .html

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10:49 AMJohn H
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Speaking of Guzzis, you forgot the photo of your backrest/luggage carrier you were going to send me.
.....

Odd, for some reason gmail had it stuck In "Drafts"

You should have it now...