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On Sunday, 8 October 2017 13:50:04 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:50:06 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.

I 'spect Don White has the bucks and can just drop that Bayliner off at the dealer for the
necessary servicing.

Wrong again...they come to me. Expect to get notice soon when the traveling winterization guy will arrive to do his work in my driveway. Once the new motor warranty is gone, I'll be doing it...same place, same time (after our Thanksgiving)

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On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider. Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating? No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.

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On Sunday, 8 October 2017 14:26:37 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.

I rarely get far from land in our harbour and various bays down the coast. If I got caught out in a storm I'd be concerned.

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On 10/8/2017 3:25 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 14:26:37 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.

I rarely get far from land in our harbour and various bays down the coast. If I got caught out in a storm I'd be concerned.


That's good. It's rare but there have been more than one swamping
incidents in our area due to people in bow riders getting caught in some
rough seas and trying to book it back home, going too fast. Usually the
boat is overloaded to boot.

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On 10/8/17 3:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider.Â* Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating?Â* No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.


The interior isn't much different than a large, heavy center console of
similar dimension, and plenty of guys go offshore on good days in those
boats. Hell, plenty of guys go 20 miles offshore in smaller, less
capable boats.

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/8/17 3:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider.Â* Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating?Â* No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.


The interior isn't much different than a large, heavy center console of
similar dimension, and plenty of guys go offshore on good days in those
boats. Hell, plenty of guys go 20 miles offshore in smaller, less
capable boats.

The difference is the weight of the bow. In a center console the wave
will pop the bow up. In a bow rider the extra weight up front, even
without 2 fat people, will hold it down.
Once you get a big enough gulp of water in there the scuppers go under
and it is a self sinker.

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On 10/8/17 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/8/17 3:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider.Â* Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating?Â* No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.


The interior isn't much different than a large, heavy center console of
similar dimension, and plenty of guys go offshore on good days in those
boats. Hell, plenty of guys go 20 miles offshore in smaller, less
capable boats.

The difference is the weight of the bow. In a center console the wave
will pop the bow up. In a bow rider the extra weight up front, even
without 2 fat people, will hold it down.
Once you get a big enough gulp of water in there the scuppers go under
and it is a self sinker.


I doubt it. This is basically the same hull I had on my 25' Parker, and
it rode pretty high in the bow, even though there was more weight up
there than the bow rider in question. Obviously a cabin boat will take
on less water, but I don't see this bowrider as problematical for near
offshore boating.

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On 10/8/2017 7:16 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/8/17 3:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter
V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong
boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then
running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last
time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider.Â* Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating?Â* No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.


The interior isn't much different than a large, heavy center console of
similar dimension, and plenty of guys go offshore on good days in those
boats. Hell, plenty of guys go 20 miles offshore in smaller, less
capable boats.

The difference is the weight of the bow. In a center console the wave
will pop the bow up. In a bow rider the extra weight up front, even
without 2 fat people, will hold it down.
Once you get a big enough gulp of water in there the scuppers go under
and it is a self sinker.


I doubt it. This is basically the same hull I had on my 25' Parker, and
it rode pretty high in the bow, even though there was more weight up
there than the bow rider in question. Obviously a cabin boat will take
on less water, but I don't see this bowrider as problematical for near
offshore boating.


"High in the bow" is meaningless in some conditions. It's still very
possible to get between a couple of large waves that will bury the bow
of that Parker and certainly that of a Bayliner. I've been on a
destroyer that buried it's bow in waves time after time when in
seriously rough seas. From the bridge it looked like a submarine
starting a dive.

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.

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On Sunday, 8 October 2017 17:07:25 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 3:25 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 14:26:37 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider.. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.

I rarely get far from land in our harbour and various bays down the coast. If I got caught out in a storm I'd be concerned.


That's good. It's rare but there have been more than one swamping
incidents in our area due to people in bow riders getting caught in some
rough seas and trying to book it back home, going too fast. Usually the
boat is overloaded to boot.

I have built in control devices to keep my speed down in rough conditions....my wife and our Springer Spaniel. Once the banging starts, he's standing next to me with his head on my knee...the wife just lets out a yell and tells me to slow down. Our boat is rated for 6 people...I usually keep it to me, wife and dog.
Extra weight affects my trim unless I do send someone forward.

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On Sunday, 8 October 2017 13:51:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

That's a shame. But the advice came from folks here as soon as you mentioned looking.

Ever wonder why it was unsold and so reduced?

Duh!
Again...I didn't mention the boat here until the deal was done, the ink was dry, the goose was cooked, the turkey was in the oven....
I don't know any simpler way to tell you that the advice (whether good or bad) was given too late.

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 20:33:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/8/2017 7:16 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 6:19 PM, wrote:

The difference is the weight of the bow. In a center console the wave
will pop the bow up. In a bow rider the extra weight up front, even
without 2 fat people, will hold it down.
Once you get a big enough gulp of water in there the scuppers go under
and it is a self sinker.


I doubt it. This is basically the same hull I had on my 25' Parker, and
it rode pretty high in the bow, even though there was more weight up
there than the bow rider in question. Obviously a cabin boat will take
on less water, but I don't see this bowrider as problematical for near
offshore boating.


"High in the bow" is meaningless in some conditions. It's still very
possible to get between a couple of large waves that will bury the bow
of that Parker and certainly that of a Bayliner. I've been on a
destroyer that buried it's bow in waves time after time when in
seriously rough seas. From the bridge it looked like a submarine
starting a dive.

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.




Offshore is usually not as bad as the standing waves at the mouth of
an inlet. They are very short period and can get quite high with an
outgoing tide hitting a stiff sea breeze. They also come up suddenly
if you are not watching out for them.

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True North Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 7 October 2017 22:23:16 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 6 October 2017 21:11:43 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns' posts, but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront access. I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to neutral. With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it was hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into deeper water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything unusual so I continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after retrieving the boat did I see a chunk missing out of one of my aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a new one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of brightly coloured floating balls stretched along where I went about 40-50 feet offshore. Now I know why they were there. I should send a letter to Crosby complaining that he should have left the 'barrier' out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.

Ever heard of a chart? I/O's are lake boats.

Duh, Ditzy...what part of boating on "Grand Lake" didn't y'all understand?
So you don't use your Bayliner in the ocean?

Stupid question as we are surrounded by salt water.


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True North Wrote in message:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 13:51:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

That's a shame. But the advice came from folks here as soon as you mentioned looking.

Ever wonder why it was unsold and so reduced?

Duh!
Again...I didn't mention the boat here until the deal was done, the ink was dry, the goose was cooked, the turkey was in the oven....
I don't know any simpler way to tell you that the advice (whether good or bad) was given too late.


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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/8/2017 7:16 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/8/17 3:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter
V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong
boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then
running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last
time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider. Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating? No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.


The interior isn't much different than a large, heavy center console of
similar dimension, and plenty of guys go offshore on good days in those
boats. Hell, plenty of guys go 20 miles offshore in smaller, less
capable boats.

The difference is the weight of the bow. In a center console the wave
will pop the bow up. In a bow rider the extra weight up front, even
without 2 fat people, will hold it down.
Once you get a big enough gulp of water in there the scuppers go under
and it is a self sinker.


I doubt it. This is basically the same hull I had on my 25' Parker, and
it rode pretty high in the bow, even though there was more weight up
there than the bow rider in question. Obviously a cabin boat will take
on less water, but I don't see this bowrider as problematical for near
offshore boating.


"High in the bow" is meaningless in some conditions. It's still very
possible to get between a couple of large waves that will bury the bow
of that Parker and certainly that of a Bayliner. I've been on a
destroyer that buried it's bow in waves time after time when in
seriously rough seas. From the bridge it looked like a submarine
starting a dive.

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.






I took pictures of waves breaking over the flight deck on my ship.
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John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.






I took pictures of waves breaking over the flight deck on my ship.
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Any boat can take waves over the bow under the right conditions. The
key thing is to understand the limitations of your boat and stay out
of dangerous waters. Boats and people are lost in Florida every year
because they fail to appreciate the risk of breaking inlets, sudden
thunderstorms, the Gulf Stream, etc.

Another risk, boats lose their stability and capsize easily when full
of water because the center of gravity changes.

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:51:10 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.






I took pictures of waves breaking over the flight deck on my ship.
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Any boat can take waves over the bow under the right conditions. The
key thing is to understand the limitations of your boat and stay out
of dangerous waters. Boats and people are lost in Florida every year
because they fail to appreciate the risk of breaking inlets, sudden
thunderstorms, the Gulf Stream, etc.

Another risk, boats lose their stability and capsize easily when full
of water because the center of gravity changes.


The thing we found out about the "self bailing" boat my neighbor had
was they become self sinking as soon as the scuppers go under.
The internal floatation was holding it right where the gunwales were
awash. Being a bow rider, pumping it pout was not really easy. They
were trying buckets when I got there (next to me in that basin). The
problem was if it tipped just a little it filled back up again. I got
my 3" pump going, two of us held the boat steady as the water was
coming out and after we got to the point that the scuppers were above
the water line it popped out, self bailing.
Then we did the old "save a sunken Yamaha trick" and got it going.
This was caused by rain faster than the scuppers could drain it out so
I am sure catching a big enough wave could do it.

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On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg

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On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.






I took pictures of waves breaking over the flight deck on my ship.
--

===

Any boat can take waves over the bow under the right conditions. The
key thing is to understand the limitations of your boat and stay out
of dangerous waters. Boats and people are lost in Florida every year
because they fail to appreciate the risk of breaking inlets, sudden
thunderstorms, the Gulf Stream, etc.

Another risk, boats lose their stability and capsize easily when full
of water because the center of gravity changes.

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Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.


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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?


You install ear muffs and hook up fresh water. You've done it before.
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

===

The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

===

The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.

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wasn't strong enough to cause damage. Or maybe he just wanted
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On 10/9/2017 7:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?


You install ear muffs and hook up fresh water. You've done it before.


Senior moment. It's only been ... what .. about 20 years or more since
I had an I/O? "CD Light" was the last one.

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On 10/9/17 8:08 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


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Aparently it is to you. Unless you can show me how it's done. Then
I'll give you a formal apology.


http://www.quickflushvalve.com/editorial

http://www.quickflushvalve.com/how-it-works.html

I assume this works sort of like the fresh water flush on a modern
outboard, in which you screw in a garden hose to a receptacle on the
rear or side of the engine and turn on the water, with the hose pressure
forcing the water through the engine and out through the lower unit.

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On 10/9/17 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

===

The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.




Plus, the captains get to play with the ball bearings they carry around
in their pockets.

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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:28:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:50:03 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

===

Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
.... write your own jokes there. ;-)

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 07:36:43 UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg

I always did this after salt water use...even with my outboards.
I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy...especially with new stuff.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 09:25:51 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:08 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


--
Posted with my iPad Pro


Aparently it is to you. Unless you can show me how it's done. Then
I'll give you a formal apology.


http://www.quickflushvalve.com/editorial

http://www.quickflushvalve.com/how-it-works.html

I assume this works sort of like the fresh water flush on a modern
outboard, in which you screw in a garden hose to a receptacle on the
rear or side of the engine and turn on the water, with the hose pressure
forcing the water through the engine and out through the lower unit.

I had this feature on my 2012 Mercury 60hp Big Foot outboard. I would flush it this way and then the old fashioned muff method anytime I boated in salt water.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:10:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

===

Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

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That's about when I replaced mine...manifolds and risers.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:57:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)


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It would be a heck of a lot easier than removing and replacing that
lower piece of cowling. That's probably necessary if you're going to
replace the gear lube however.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:10:10 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

===

Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

That surprises me. I knew a guy in the cape with an I/O but he was on
a fresh water canal. I am not even sure where you would buy one around
here. I have not seen a dealer who handles anything but outboards
(Marina Mike, Bonita boat cen etc) but maybe there is someone up in Ft
Myers. With the influx of folks from up north I suppose a lot of
things we never used to see may become common.
When Judy was building houses she used to have customers asking her
where the furnace was going to be.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:14:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:10:10 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

===

Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

That surprises me. I knew a guy in the cape with an I/O but he was on
a fresh water canal. I am not even sure where you would buy one around
here. I have not seen a dealer who handles anything but outboards
(Marina Mike, Bonita boat cen etc) but maybe there is someone up in Ft
Myers. With the influx of folks from up north I suppose a lot of
things we never used to see may become common.
When Judy was building houses she used to have customers asking her
where the furnace was going to be.


===

MarineMax sells a lot of I/O Searays. There's also a fair number of
Rinkers and Hurricanes. Our original runabout was a 1978 Winner I/O
that we stored mostly in the water in Connecticut and then trailered
in down here. It lasted quite a long time considering that it didn't
get any special treatment and we used it a lot.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.