On Thu, 25 May 2017 07:00:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/25/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:

Our toyotas show individual tire pressures. Accurate, too...checked it a
couple of times with a good tire pressure gauge.


Maybe Greg will eventually become a believer that *some* technological
advances actually work pretty well. :-)


If I didn't make a pretty good living fixing those technological
advances I would not be as skeptical. The problem is not how well they
work, it is when you start depending on them too much and they fail.
As I recently said of the autonomous car, it will give a whole new
meaning to the "blue screen of death".

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:55:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Pace Arrow was a piece of crap, BTW.

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Intereresting. I've always thought they looked pretty good when I've
seen them on the road. Who would you recommend instead?

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On 5/25/2017 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:55:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Pace Arrow was a piece of crap, BTW.

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Intereresting. I've always thought they looked pretty good when I've
seen them on the road. Who would you recommend instead?

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At the risk of offending some, anything other than an RV made by Fleetwood.

When Pace Arrow was really Pace Arrow back in the old days, it was
considered to be a high-end, quality built RV or motorhome. That's what
I remembered. But somewhere in it's history it was acquired by
Fleetwood. That's when they turned to crap.

In fairness, not all Fleetwood RV's are bad. The higher end diesel
pushers, etc. are popular and apparently don't suffer from the poor
quality that the one I had suffered from.

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:29:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:25:42 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2017 17:16:05 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2017 13:34:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Altima I drive now has a cool feature. If you leave the ignition on
(but engine off) when adding air to a tire, the car horn will beep when
the tire is at 32 psi. Don't need a tire gauge.


I am not convinced these things are that accurate.

It's not spot on accuracy I worry about. It's losing 10-20 lbs rapidly, or the temperature
increasing rapidly that worries me. I like the idea of a warning alarm when either occurs.

That is what the sensor is meant to do. I still want to use a real
gauge to inflate them.

It would be unlikely that someone would try to use the sensor for inflation, but I suppose it could
be done. Again, how do you know your gauge is accurate?

On 5/25/2017 12:27 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:29:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:25:42 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2017 17:16:05 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2017 13:34:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Altima I drive now has a cool feature. If you leave the ignition on
(but engine off) when adding air to a tire, the car horn will beep when
the tire is at 32 psi. Don't need a tire gauge.


I am not convinced these things are that accurate.

It's not spot on accuracy I worry about. It's losing 10-20 lbs rapidly, or the temperature
increasing rapidly that worries me. I like the idea of a warning alarm when either occurs.

That is what the sensor is meant to do. I still want to use a real
gauge to inflate them.


It would be unlikely that someone would try to use the sensor for inflation, but I suppose it could
be done. Again, how do you know your gauge is accurate?


Greg probably had it traced back to the National Bureau of Standards.
Me? I'll just inflate until my horn beeps. Or the tire blows up.
Whatever occurs first. :-)




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On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:43:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:32:10 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

Driving north on a hot, sunny afternoon on I-81 will raise the tire temp a bunch. I wonder how the
TPMS compensates, if at all. I suppose if both driver-side tires are at the same (higher) temp then
the fear would be reduced. I wish they also made a wheel bearing temp monitoring system.

Do you have an IR gun? It is a handy thing for looking at all of that
stuff. They are getting pretty cheap but I would get one from the
middle of the pack, not the cheapest one you find.

Won't need one with the TPMS.

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:52:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:55:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Heh. One of the reasons I got out of RV'ing. Too many things to worry
about. I've grown to really like simplicity.

First blow out I had was on the christening voyage to Florida in a brand
new Pace Arrow Class A motorhome. Inner tire on rear blew.
Spent the night in a truck repair parking lot while the replacement was
ordered and delivered.

Pace Arrow was a piece of crap, BTW.


If you go often and go on short trips like John, the RV thing may be
worthwhile but for the once or twice a year guy, a first class plane
ticket, a rental car and a real nice hotel is a lot cheaper.

We leave on 8 June for the 'Bean Blossom Bluegrass Festival' in Bean Blossom, IN. That's about 650
miles, which, I suppose, is pretty short.

On Thu, 25 May 2017 12:05:49 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:55:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Pace Arrow was a piece of crap, BTW.

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Intereresting. I've always thought they looked pretty good when I've
seen them on the road. Who would you recommend instead?

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These Allegros get very high marks. Also expensive.

http://www.tiffinmotorhomes.com/allegro

The folks we go with frequently have a Winnebago Journey:

https://winnebagoind.com/products/cl...urney/overview

They've had some problems, but are overall pretty happy with the rig. Both of those are diesel
pushers, which adds to the cost and the quality of the coach.

Me, I prefer a 5th wheel and a pickup. Motorhomes, like Luddite said, can become a big pain in the
butt, and you still need something to get around in once you're at the campsite. I have yet to see
an advantage to a motorhome which justifies all the extra costs. Yeah, wife can cook or take a nap
on the go. Not worth it to me. My wife seems to have little trouble sleeping in the Silverado.

On 5/25/2017 1:02 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 5/25/2017 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:55:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Pace Arrow was a piece of crap, BTW.

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Intereresting. I've always thought they looked pretty good when I've
seen them on the road. Who would you recommend instead?

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At the risk of offending some, anything other than an RV made by Fleetwood.

When Pace Arrow was really Pace Arrow back in the old days, it was
considered to be a high-end, quality built RV or motorhome. That's what
I remembered. But somewhere in it's history it was acquired by
Fleetwood. That's when they turned to crap.

In fairness, not all Fleetwood RV's are bad. The higher end diesel
pushers, etc. are popular and apparently don't suffer from the poor
quality that the one I had suffered from.




Doesn't matter what you buy , they all have issues. The consumer
is the quality control. It's not like buying a car.



Small, wooden blocks glued to a skinny, painted metal stiffener that the
side panels are screwed to with what amounted to sheet rock screws isn't
my idea of quality. Nor was a rubber gas line feeding the generator
that made a 90 degree turn across the frame that had been cut with an
oxygen/acetylene torch and left with all the rough slag that was
chaffing through the gas line. Nor was the stupid painted plastic that
is used for the entire front and grill that was so rough any attempt to
wax it only left white wax residue that was impossible to remove.

Nor was the brake line that let go in less than 6 months causing it to
have to be towed away with a gigantic tow truck.

Who can forget the melted ice cream?

Other than that, it was pretty good I guess. :-)

On 5/25/2017 1:06 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 12:05:49 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 06:55:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Pace Arrow was a piece of crap, BTW.

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Intereresting. I've always thought they looked pretty good when I've
seen them on the road. Who would you recommend instead?

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These Allegros get very high marks. Also expensive.

http://www.tiffinmotorhomes.com/allegro

The folks we go with frequently have a Winnebago Journey:

https://winnebagoind.com/products/cl...urney/overview

They've had some problems, but are overall pretty happy with the rig. Both of those are diesel
pushers, which adds to the cost and the quality of the coach.

Me, I prefer a 5th wheel and a pickup. Motorhomes, like Luddite said, can become a big pain in the
butt, and you still need something to get around in once you're at the campsite. I have yet to see
an advantage to a motorhome which justifies all the extra costs. Yeah, wife can cook or take a nap
on the go.


Not legally, she can't. You can get away with it unless there's an
accident.