Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.


===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 12:36:31 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.


===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.

Maybe that's what they're anticipating will happen and save a bunch of tax dollars in prosecution.

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.


That's true in most states - even California...

Tim wrote:
On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 12:36:31 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.
Maybe that's what they're anticipating will happen and save a bunch of tax dollars in prosecution.

Your state has the same law. Deadly force is legal with no duty to retreat.

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 21:21:33 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.


That's true in most states - even California...

===

You might be surprised:

https://www.southuniversity.edu/whoweare/newsroom/blog/castle-doctrine-from-state-to-state-46514


-----------------------------------------
Softer Castle Laws

Not all states give citizens as much leeway in protecting their
personal property. States like California allow citizens to protect
their homes with deadly force if they feel that they or another person
are in physical danger, but does not extend to theft, and it only
protects residents in their home, and not in cars or at work.

In New York you cannot use deadly force if you know with certainty
that you can avoid an intruder by retreating. You can use deadly force
if you are not the initial aggressor in an altercation within your
home.

Other states with limited, little, or no castle law or case law giving
citizens the rights to protect their homes using force include: Idaho,
Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Virginia,
Vermont, and Washington, D.C.
------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:31:21 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 21:21:33 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.


That's true in most states - even California...

===

You might be surprised:

https://www.southuniversity.edu/whoweare/newsroom/blog/castle-doctrine-from-state-to-state-46514


-----------------------------------------
Softer Castle Laws

Not all states give citizens as much leeway in protecting their
personal property. States like California allow citizens to protect
their homes with deadly force if they feel that they or another person
are in physical danger, but does not extend to theft, and it only
protects residents in their home, and not in cars or at work.

In New York you cannot use deadly force if you know with certainty
that you can avoid an intruder by retreating. You can use deadly force
if you are not the initial aggressor in an altercation within your
home.

Other states with limited, little, or no castle law or case law giving
citizens the rights to protect their homes using force include: Idaho,
Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Virginia,
Vermont, and Washington, D.C.
------------------------------------------------


There is also the issue of how the burden of proof is handled.
You might eventually prevail in a lot of states but it could cost you
a six figure lawyer bill because it is up to the homeowner to prove
they were justified.
Florida has a bill in the legislature that puts the burden of proof on
the state before they can even bring the case.

wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 21:21:33 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.

That's true in most states - even California...
===

You might be surprised:

https://www.southuniversity.edu/whoweare/newsroom/blog/castle-doctrine-from-state-to-state-46514


-----------------------------------------
Softer Castle Laws

Not all states give citizens as much leeway in protecting their
personal property. States like California allow citizens to protect
their homes with deadly force if they feel that they or another person
are in physical danger, but does not extend to theft, and it only
protects residents in their home, and not in cars or at work.

In New York you cannot use deadly force if you know with certainty
that you can avoid an intruder by retreating. You can use deadly force
if you are not the initial aggressor in an altercation within your
home.

Other states with limited, little, or no castle law or case law giving
citizens the rights to protect their homes using force include: Idaho,
Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Virginia,
Vermont, and Washington, D.C.
------------------------------------------------


How is CA different? What you posted is essentially the same as FL and
other states.

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 22:13:33 -0400, Alex wrote:


How is CA different? What you posted is essentially the same as FL and
other states.

The real difference is whether you get charged in the first place. In
California, the castle doctrine may be an affirmative defense but you
are still in court defending yourself. $$$
You also have the burden of proof that you were actually in danger.

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:31:21 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 21:21:33 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:20:38 -0400, wrote:

Today on the fugitive report (NBC news) they are looking for a night
time burglar who is violating his parole after being convicted of 4
separate night time burglaries, grand theft and a string of other
charges. He spent less than FOUR ****ING MONTHS in jail. (second
offense)
The first burglary conviction only resulted in a slap on the wrist.
Now he is on the run again.
Why even bother calling the cops if that is all they will do.

===

Of course in Florida he can be legally shot once inside the house,
thanks to the Castle Doctrine.


That's true in most states - even California...

===

You might be surprised:

https://www.southuniversity.edu/whoweare/newsroom/blog/castle-doctrine-from-state-to-state-46514


-----------------------------------------
Softer Castle Laws

Not all states give citizens as much leeway in protecting their
personal property. States like California allow citizens to protect
their homes with deadly force if they feel that they or another person
are in physical danger, but does not extend to theft, and it only
protects residents in their home, and not in cars or at work.

In New York you cannot use deadly force if you know with certainty
that you can avoid an intruder by retreating. You can use deadly force
if you are not the initial aggressor in an altercation within your
home.

Other states with limited, little, or no castle law or case law giving
citizens the rights to protect their homes using force include: Idaho,
Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Virginia,
Vermont, and Washington, D.C.
------------------------------------------------


There is also the issue of how the burden of proof is handled.
You might eventually prevail in a lot of states but it could cost you
a six figure lawyer bill because it is up to the homeowner to prove
they were justified.
Florida has a bill in the legislature that puts the burden of proof on
the state before they can even bring the case.


California is still a "frontier state" regards the law. Shooting him
inside the house is definitive proof you were afraid for your life. State
would have to prove different.