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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:47:40 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:28:11 -0400, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:25:54 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled. They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes away. Naive to the point of absurdity. OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills, injections, creams or something you shove up your ass. These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies they get from the drug salesman as much as anything. My guy, an internist, has found things that he didn't treat, but he did send me to the right guy for treatment. The abdominal aortic aneurysm was the most significant of his findings. The surgeon who repaired it called him a miracle worker for finding it. You got lucky. There are plenty of quacks in the medical profession. They told my wife she needed an emergency appendectomy. This was not the laparoscope deal, it was a cut you open and look around thing. She ended up with a scar that looks like she lost a sword fight and it took a year of rehab. They did not find anything wrong. oops sorry, but good news, your insurance covered it. (back when insurance covered stuff) I have already told you all about the easter egg hunt they went through my insurance coverage on for my wrists, turns out nothing there either. (One PT session where the girl told me to do what the doctors told me not to do) Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will pay. You've been unlucky. When I was 16 I got a horrible pain in my lower stomach. Dad took me to emergency room. Appendicitis was diagnosed, with immediate surgery. I woke up later and felt a hell of a lot better. Almost all of my experience, until '92 anyway, has been with military doctors. I've had only one 'bad' experience when after spending four months in Walter Reed they still couldn't pinpoint anything and diagnosed a 'nonspecific pleural infection'. That was after they did a month with chest tubes followed by a thoracotomy. I still believe they did their best, although it wasn't fun. |
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On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 8:59:02 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/23/17 2:23 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:39 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - I'm sure Fretwell will be delighted to serve as your medical advisor, and at no co$t either, except perhaps your life. .... Can't be much worse than the people who get payed well to perform unnecessary procedures. In just about any other context, Harry would be complaining about the "pay for service" model of American health care. Yet another figment of your imagination. Why would I object to fee for service? The PPO I use is based upon that model, and I pay for those services via my health insurance premiums and a reasonable co-pay. It is a little humorous that virtually every time you claim you know what I am thinking, you are wrong. It isn't my fault that you posted a personal experience of yours in which the original care and recommendations weren't what you needed. Perhaps you should spend more time picking the right physicians. A couple of years ago, I went to see my doc because I felt awful, with a fever and a cough and as soon as I got into the exam room and she came in, she said, "you're going down to the ER right now for immediate tests because I think you have pneumonia and the hospital will give me test results in less than an hour, and our lab here in the office takes at least a half a day." Well, she was right...pneumonia...so I was given the right meds and put on an IV. It's your responsibility to pick the right doctors and other medical providers. Obviously, you didn't. Harry, you really should pick some other subject to argue over. this one isn't working well for you. |
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On 3/24/2017 10:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/24/17 10:03 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2017 9:44 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/17 7:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/23/2017 2:23 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:39 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - I'm sure Fretwell will be delighted to serve as your medical advisor, and at no co$t either, except perhaps your life. .... Can't be much worse than the people who get payed well to perform unnecessary procedures. In just about any other context, Harry would be complaining about the "pay for service" model of American health care. It is amazing how he can work both sides of the table so well but I guess it is natural for a person who pimps government unions. A few months ago (at the recommendation of a couple of veteran friends) I applied for health care services through the VA. I haven't had a primary care physician for a while (he unfortunately died at a young age of leukemia) so I was basically starting from scratch. Turns out *all* vets are eligible for health care through the VA as long as they served at least 24 months and have an honorable discharge. There is a means test of sorts but some forms of income are not considered, nor are your bank accounts and your income only contributes to the determination of what priority classification you are eligible for. There are 8 classifications, 1 being the highest, 8 the lowest. You could be a multi billionaire but if you are an honorably discharged vet, you will still qualify, although probably in the lowest (8) priority classification. So, the VA sent me a letter welcoming me and sent a booklet that is personalized for what types of services, hospitalization, checkups, tests, etc. that I am eligible for. In total, I have better coverage by far than I had under the Blue Cross policy that we used to pay $1,400 a month for. I even have coverage for nursing home expenses and/or full time home nursing services if the day ever comes that I need them. The VA assigned a primary care physician in a VA clinic that is about 5 miles from my house. I've had three appointments so far, including full blood work, colon-rectal cancer tests and other tests to establish a baseline. The doc spent over an hour with me at the first appointment getting background data, etc. BTW ... related to a recent thread here ... one of the questions was if I had guns in the house and, if so, are they secure. Anyway, the only thing wrong with me is slightly elevated blood pressure. Doc said it's not "horrible" but prescribed some meds to get it a bit lower. I don't like taking meds and I know that once I get more physically active once the cold and snow stops my BP will drop but in the meantime I'll take the meds. My only out of pocket cost is an $8 co-payment for a 90 day supply of the pills. If I need to be hospitalized for some reason there is a $97 per day co-payment for the first 21 days. After that, there is no payments by me. No co-payments for doc visits, checkups, tests, etc. The VA is totally independent from Medicare and the VA does not charge Medicare for services. I am seriously thinking about dropping Part B and it's cost and dropping the gap insurance policy I have for Part B through Tufts. I don't need them if I use the VA for health care which will save me about $350 a month. Bottom line is: The VA isn't a health insurance program. It's a health care program. The Boston area VA (which governs the facilities I use) is the highest rated VA health car are in the nation. So far, I have been very impressed. So, shifting the burden is ok for a Republican, even a wealthy one. Figures. Using benefits that the government says I earned is "shifting the burden" in your eyes? I figured this would **** you off. No, it just illustrates something else that is wrong with our health care system. If you suffered a serious battle injury or debilitating injury while in the service, I see nothing wrong with providing you with good healthcare at no cost for the recovery, even a lifelong recovery, for that problem or problems. Why should the VA pay for treatment of your HBP, especially since any sort of means test would indicate you can afford to buy private health insurance or pay for a private doctor without any difficulty. Truthfully, I always thought you had to have a major service related disability or be a retired "lifer" in order to qualify for VA health care. Apparently for many years that was true. However the policy changed when the VA/TriCare system was reorganized many years ago. The VA now encourages vets to apply. There *is* a means test however I still qualify for certain health care services, more so than I expected. I had a minor, service related injury however I don't think it factored into what category I was placed because it is not a disability in any way. I had two reasons to post about this. One was to let other vets know who may not realize that they are eligible. The second reason was because I knew it would **** you off. |
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On 3/24/17 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2017 10:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/17 10:03 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2017 9:44 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/17 7:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/23/2017 2:23 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:39 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - I'm sure Fretwell will be delighted to serve as your medical advisor, and at no co$t either, except perhaps your life. .... Can't be much worse than the people who get payed well to perform unnecessary procedures. In just about any other context, Harry would be complaining about the "pay for service" model of American health care. It is amazing how he can work both sides of the table so well but I guess it is natural for a person who pimps government unions. A few months ago (at the recommendation of a couple of veteran friends) I applied for health care services through the VA. I haven't had a primary care physician for a while (he unfortunately died at a young age of leukemia) so I was basically starting from scratch. Turns out *all* vets are eligible for health care through the VA as long as they served at least 24 months and have an honorable discharge. There is a means test of sorts but some forms of income are not considered, nor are your bank accounts and your income only contributes to the determination of what priority classification you are eligible for. There are 8 classifications, 1 being the highest, 8 the lowest. You could be a multi billionaire but if you are an honorably discharged vet, you will still qualify, although probably in the lowest (8) priority classification. So, the VA sent me a letter welcoming me and sent a booklet that is personalized for what types of services, hospitalization, checkups, tests, etc. that I am eligible for. In total, I have better coverage by far than I had under the Blue Cross policy that we used to pay $1,400 a month for. I even have coverage for nursing home expenses and/or full time home nursing services if the day ever comes that I need them. The VA assigned a primary care physician in a VA clinic that is about 5 miles from my house. I've had three appointments so far, including full blood work, colon-rectal cancer tests and other tests to establish a baseline. The doc spent over an hour with me at the first appointment getting background data, etc. BTW ... related to a recent thread here ... one of the questions was if I had guns in the house and, if so, are they secure. Anyway, the only thing wrong with me is slightly elevated blood pressure. Doc said it's not "horrible" but prescribed some meds to get it a bit lower. I don't like taking meds and I know that once I get more physically active once the cold and snow stops my BP will drop but in the meantime I'll take the meds. My only out of pocket cost is an $8 co-payment for a 90 day supply of the pills. If I need to be hospitalized for some reason there is a $97 per day co-payment for the first 21 days. After that, there is no payments by me. No co-payments for doc visits, checkups, tests, etc. The VA is totally independent from Medicare and the VA does not charge Medicare for services. I am seriously thinking about dropping Part B and it's cost and dropping the gap insurance policy I have for Part B through Tufts. I don't need them if I use the VA for health care which will save me about $350 a month. Bottom line is: The VA isn't a health insurance program. It's a health care program. The Boston area VA (which governs the facilities I use) is the highest rated VA health car are in the nation. So far, I have been very impressed. So, shifting the burden is ok for a Republican, even a wealthy one. Figures. Using benefits that the government says I earned is "shifting the burden" in your eyes? I figured this would **** you off. No, it just illustrates something else that is wrong with our health care system. If you suffered a serious battle injury or debilitating injury while in the service, I see nothing wrong with providing you with good healthcare at no cost for the recovery, even a lifelong recovery, for that problem or problems. Why should the VA pay for treatment of your HBP, especially since any sort of means test would indicate you can afford to buy private health insurance or pay for a private doctor without any difficulty. Truthfully, I always thought you had to have a major service related disability or be a retired "lifer" in order to qualify for VA health care. Apparently for many years that was true. However the policy changed when the VA/TriCare system was reorganized many years ago. The VA now encourages vets to apply. There *is* a means test however I still qualify for certain health care services, more so than I expected. I had a minor, service related injury however I don't think it factored into what category I was placed because it is not a disability in any way. I had two reasons to post about this. One was to let other vets know who may not realize that they are eligible. The second reason was because I knew it would **** you off. It doesn't "**** me off." It just points out yet another inequity in our health care system. |
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