On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:25:54 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

My guy, an internist, has found things that he didn't treat, but he did send me to the right guy for
treatment. The abdominal aortic aneurysm was the most significant of his findings. The surgeon who
repaired it called him a miracle worker for finding it.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:28:11 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:25:54 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

My guy, an internist, has found things that he didn't treat, but he did send me to the right guy for
treatment. The abdominal aortic aneurysm was the most significant of his findings. The surgeon who
repaired it called him a miracle worker for finding it.

You got lucky. There are plenty of quacks in the medical profession.
They told my wife she needed an emergency appendectomy. This was not
the laparoscope deal, it was a cut you open and look around thing. She
ended up with a scar that looks like she lost a sword fight and it
took a year of rehab.
They did not find anything wrong. oops sorry, but good news, your
insurance covered it. (back when insurance covered stuff)
I have already told you all about the easter egg hunt they went
through my insurance coverage on for my wrists, turns out nothing
there either. (One PT session where the girl told me to do what the
doctors told me not to do)
Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will
pay.

"Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will
pay. "

In many cases it kinda seems that way, doesn't it?

On 3/23/17 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:28:11 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:25:54 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

My guy, an internist, has found things that he didn't treat, but he did send me to the right guy for
treatment. The abdominal aortic aneurysm was the most significant of his findings. The surgeon who
repaired it called him a miracle worker for finding it.

You got lucky. There are plenty of quacks in the medical profession.
They told my wife she needed an emergency appendectomy. This was not
the laparoscope deal, it was a cut you open and look around thing. She
ended up with a scar that looks like she lost a sword fight and it
took a year of rehab.
They did not find anything wrong. oops sorry, but good news, your
insurance covered it. (back when insurance covered stuff)
I have already told you all about the easter egg hunt they went
through my insurance coverage on for my wrists, turns out nothing
there either. (One PT session where the girl told me to do what the
doctors told me not to do)
Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will
pay.



My GP sent me to an orthopedic surgeon, a damned good one, to further
investigate my wrist problems. He was very careful with tests and
x-rays, and also sent me to a good rheumatologist for co-consult, and
who ran a series of different blood tests. They concurred on carpal
tunnel rather than a couple of immune diseases and while they were
deciding, I took some steroids. I had one wrist/palm done and then the
other, first class surgery, and I've enjoyed a great recovery. I'm sure
my health insurance was hit hard, but my out of pockets were limited to
$10 for each doctor's visit and a total of $400 for both surgeries.
That's why I pay for the good insurance. Oh...and the insurance covered
OT afterwards for both wrists.

I trust my doctors.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:46:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/23/17 11:47 AM, wrote:

You got lucky. There are plenty of quacks in the medical profession.
They told my wife she needed an emergency appendectomy. This was not
the laparoscope deal, it was a cut you open and look around thing. She
ended up with a scar that looks like she lost a sword fight and it
took a year of rehab.
They did not find anything wrong. oops sorry, but good news, your
insurance covered it. (back when insurance covered stuff)
I have already told you all about the easter egg hunt they went
through my insurance coverage on for my wrists, turns out nothing
there either. (One PT session where the girl told me to do what the
doctors told me not to do)
Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will
pay.



My GP sent me to an orthopedic surgeon, a damned good one, to further
investigate my wrist problems. He was very careful with tests and
x-rays, and also sent me to a good rheumatologist for co-consult, and
who ran a series of different blood tests. They concurred on carpal
tunnel rather than a couple of immune diseases and while they were
deciding, I took some steroids. I had one wrist/palm done and then the
other, first class surgery, and I've enjoyed a great recovery. I'm sure
my health insurance was hit hard, but my out of pockets were limited to
$10 for each doctor's visit and a total of $400 for both surgeries.
That's why I pay for the good insurance. Oh...and the insurance covered
OT afterwards for both wrists.

I trust my doctors.

In my case I ended up with 2 MRIs, a bunch of blood tests and enough X
rays to light up a small city. I had 3 different kind of braces/cuffs,
Prednisone, Dichlofenac, Ibuprophen, Naproxen and finally a
prescription for Methotrexate that I threw in the trash as soon as I
read the warning pamphlet. (the others are pretty scary too)
When I went back to the sports doctor who started this mess he sent me
to the PT girl. She said I should throw away all of the braces, stop
the drugs and do all the things that they told me not to do. In a week
I was cured. Looking at my EOBs, these *******s bled my insurance for
over $100,000 for over a year and never fixed a thing. The $50 an hour
PT girl could have fixed me on day one.
The rheumatologist that gave me the Methotrexate was the biggest quack
of all. He did not do any tests, looked over the records and sent me
on my way with a diagnosis of Psoriatic Arthritis because his only
other thing would have been Rheumatic Arthritis and that was already
eliminated by the RH factor test. I knew how that one was going to
come out as soon as I read the posters in his waiting room. It was the
only two bullets in his gun.
I have already said the doctors I knew in DC were much better than the
ones down here and I did have a wife inside the tent to warn me off of
the quacks up there. There were plenty of them. All the people she
worked for could do was deny privileges and that was not as easy as it
should be. There was a (PSRO) meeting once a week to discuss how the
hospital could side step malpractice suits and mitigate the damages if
they couldn't. Listening to the recap of that meeting was depressing.

On 3/23/2017 12:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:46:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/23/17 11:47 AM, wrote:

You got lucky. There are plenty of quacks in the medical profession.
They told my wife she needed an emergency appendectomy. This was not
the laparoscope deal, it was a cut you open and look around thing. She
ended up with a scar that looks like she lost a sword fight and it
took a year of rehab.
They did not find anything wrong. oops sorry, but good news, your
insurance covered it. (back when insurance covered stuff)
I have already told you all about the easter egg hunt they went
through my insurance coverage on for my wrists, turns out nothing
there either. (One PT session where the girl told me to do what the
doctors told me not to do)
Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will
pay.



My GP sent me to an orthopedic surgeon, a damned good one, to further
investigate my wrist problems. He was very careful with tests and
x-rays, and also sent me to a good rheumatologist for co-consult, and
who ran a series of different blood tests. They concurred on carpal
tunnel rather than a couple of immune diseases and while they were
deciding, I took some steroids. I had one wrist/palm done and then the
other, first class surgery, and I've enjoyed a great recovery. I'm sure
my health insurance was hit hard, but my out of pockets were limited to
$10 for each doctor's visit and a total of $400 for both surgeries.
That's why I pay for the good insurance. Oh...and the insurance covered
OT afterwards for both wrists.

I trust my doctors.

In my case I ended up with 2 MRIs, a bunch of blood tests and enough X
rays to light up a small city. I had 3 different kind of braces/cuffs,
Prednisone, Dichlofenac, Ibuprophen, Naproxen and finally a
prescription for Methotrexate that I threw in the trash as soon as I
read the warning pamphlet. (the others are pretty scary too)
When I went back to the sports doctor who started this mess he sent me
to the PT girl. She said I should throw away all of the braces, stop
the drugs and do all the things that they told me not to do. In a week
I was cured. Looking at my EOBs, these *******s bled my insurance for
over $100,000 for over a year and never fixed a thing. The $50 an hour
PT girl could have fixed me on day one.
The rheumatologist that gave me the Methotrexate was the biggest quack
of all. He did not do any tests, looked over the records and sent me
on my way with a diagnosis of Psoriatic Arthritis because his only
other thing would have been Rheumatic Arthritis and that was already
eliminated by the RH factor test. I knew how that one was going to
come out as soon as I read the posters in his waiting room. It was the
only two bullets in his gun.
I have already said the doctors I knew in DC were much better than the
ones down here and I did have a wife inside the tent to warn me off of
the quacks up there. There were plenty of them. All the people she
worked for could do was deny privileges and that was not as easy as it
should be. There was a (PSRO) meeting once a week to discuss how the
hospital could side step malpractice suits and mitigate the damages if
they couldn't. Listening to the recap of that meeting was depressing.



Here's article that compares the results of physical therapy and surgery
for carpal tunnel.. Try PT first.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management...src=RSS_PUBLIC

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:47:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:28:11 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:25:54 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

My guy, an internist, has found things that he didn't treat, but he did send me to the right guy for
treatment. The abdominal aortic aneurysm was the most significant of his findings. The surgeon who
repaired it called him a miracle worker for finding it.

You got lucky. There are plenty of quacks in the medical profession.
They told my wife she needed an emergency appendectomy. This was not
the laparoscope deal, it was a cut you open and look around thing. She
ended up with a scar that looks like she lost a sword fight and it
took a year of rehab.
They did not find anything wrong. oops sorry, but good news, your
insurance covered it. (back when insurance covered stuff)
I have already told you all about the easter egg hunt they went
through my insurance coverage on for my wrists, turns out nothing
there either. (One PT session where the girl told me to do what the
doctors told me not to do)
Doctors seem to just keep doing stuff as long as your insurance will
pay.

You've been unlucky. When I was 16 I got a horrible pain in my lower stomach. Dad took me to
emergency room. Appendicitis was diagnosed, with immediate surgery. I woke up later and felt a hell
of a lot better.

Almost all of my experience, until '92 anyway, has been with military doctors. I've had only one
'bad' experience when after spending four months in Walter Reed they still couldn't pinpoint
anything and diagnosed a 'nonspecific pleural infection'. That was after they did a month with chest
tubes followed by a thoracotomy. I still believe they did their best, although it wasn't fun.