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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:16:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Mrs.E. brought up the subject of the old "boats of rec.boats" website this morning over coffee. Surprisingly, it still exists although not in the original, complete form. Still, a lot of old names from the past. When I first created the original website (back in a kinder, more friendly rec.boats time) the packaged website creation software used today didn't exist. Everything was done in html code which I learned from visiting other websites and viewing the "source" code. Shuda been a hacker. :-) I remember my computer at the time was a Laser Pal 286 with a 40mb hard drive with a "high speed" 2400 baud modem. The rec.boats participants would email me a picture and description of their boat and I'd call up the code for the website page that was stored on the hard drive and insert the code to add the person and picture(s) to the list. I'd then have to upload the entire website code just to add the person. No method existed to simply add to the current, published code. With a 2400 baud modem each addition to the list took about an hour to do and upload to publish. The other problem was that I had no way of viewing what the page looked like until I published it, so if I screwed something up I had to inspect the html code to see what was wrong, fix it, and then upload the whole damn thing again. Times have sure changed. Now you can just drop a picture into a pre-formatted software package, add some text, publish just the changes and be done in a minute or so. Here's the link to what remains of the website: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/ I still edit the HTML on the 2 web sites I manage for small changes but I do have an editor or two. I still won't use Flash or Java since there are still people worried enough about security to have them turned off. Flash won't run on my machines until I let it. You would be surprised how many ads that eliminates, particularly on those "free" sites we see. Your browser will open an HTML directly from your hard drive as a sanity check before you upload it. Pure HTML will open in Word, in fact I sometimes compose pages there. Most Email ends up being an HTML if you are doing anything more complex than flat text and I have used the moldy old AOL 7 I run to compose simple pages. The problem with that is you need to go in and strip out the email formatting manually or it shows up on the web page. It only takes a minute or so tho. In that regard an Email client or Word is as easy as any of the other ways to get pictures with captions up on a web page. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:53:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/9/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:16:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Mrs.E. brought up the subject of the old "boats of rec.boats" website this morning over coffee. Surprisingly, it still exists although not in the original, complete form. Still, a lot of old names from the past. When I first created the original website (back in a kinder, more friendly rec.boats time) the packaged website creation software used today didn't exist. Everything was done in html code which I learned from visiting other websites and viewing the "source" code. Shuda been a hacker. :-) I remember my computer at the time was a Laser Pal 286 with a 40mb hard drive with a "high speed" 2400 baud modem. The rec.boats participants would email me a picture and description of their boat and I'd call up the code for the website page that was stored on the hard drive and insert the code to add the person and picture(s) to the list. I'd then have to upload the entire website code just to add the person. No method existed to simply add to the current, published code. With a 2400 baud modem each addition to the list took about an hour to do and upload to publish. The other problem was that I had no way of viewing what the page looked like until I published it, so if I screwed something up I had to inspect the html code to see what was wrong, fix it, and then upload the whole damn thing again. Times have sure changed. Now you can just drop a picture into a pre-formatted software package, add some text, publish just the changes and be done in a minute or so. Here's the link to what remains of the website: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/ Your browser will open an HTML directly from your hard drive as a sanity check before you upload it. Pure HTML will open in Word, in fact I sometimes compose pages there. Sure, *now*. Back then my computer didn't even have Windows. It had an ensemble called "GeoWorks". Similar in concept to Windows and, at the time, many considered it superior to Windows I. I forget what the "browser" was back then or even how it all worked. I think it may have been Netscape Navigator. I recall "AltaVista" as being the search engine. How long ago are we talking about? HTML did not come into common usage until the early 90s and by then W/3.1 was around (93). I was running W/3.1 pretty early because the BB manager of Prodigy required it. That was the only way to keep my "minutes" down online. Prodigy embraced 3.1 pretty much from it's release tho, although I ran the DOS version as long as I could. I only loaded windows when I absolutely needed it. IBM had a multi tasker that run under DOS, also allowing 4 VM sessions on the IBM network and that was my normal desktop application at work. If you walked up to my PC you would see 4 VM sessions, the DOS box would have dBase running and I might be using the DOS call function there to do minor housekeeping. |
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#4
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On 3/9/2017 1:59 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:53:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/9/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:16:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Mrs.E. brought up the subject of the old "boats of rec.boats" website this morning over coffee. Surprisingly, it still exists although not in the original, complete form. Still, a lot of old names from the past. When I first created the original website (back in a kinder, more friendly rec.boats time) the packaged website creation software used today didn't exist. Everything was done in html code which I learned from visiting other websites and viewing the "source" code. Shuda been a hacker. :-) I remember my computer at the time was a Laser Pal 286 with a 40mb hard drive with a "high speed" 2400 baud modem. The rec.boats participants would email me a picture and description of their boat and I'd call up the code for the website page that was stored on the hard drive and insert the code to add the person and picture(s) to the list. I'd then have to upload the entire website code just to add the person. No method existed to simply add to the current, published code. With a 2400 baud modem each addition to the list took about an hour to do and upload to publish. The other problem was that I had no way of viewing what the page looked like until I published it, so if I screwed something up I had to inspect the html code to see what was wrong, fix it, and then upload the whole damn thing again. Times have sure changed. Now you can just drop a picture into a pre-formatted software package, add some text, publish just the changes and be done in a minute or so. Here's the link to what remains of the website: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/ Your browser will open an HTML directly from your hard drive as a sanity check before you upload it. Pure HTML will open in Word, in fact I sometimes compose pages there. Sure, *now*. Back then my computer didn't even have Windows. It had an ensemble called "GeoWorks". Similar in concept to Windows and, at the time, many considered it superior to Windows I. I forget what the "browser" was back then or even how it all worked. I think it may have been Netscape Navigator. I recall "AltaVista" as being the search engine. How long ago are we talking about? HTML did not come into common usage until the early 90s and by then W/3.1 was around (93). I was running W/3.1 pretty early because the BB manager of Prodigy required it. That was the only way to keep my "minutes" down online. Prodigy embraced 3.1 pretty much from it's release tho, although I ran the DOS version as long as I could. I only loaded windows when I absolutely needed it. IBM had a multi tasker that run under DOS, also allowing 4 VM sessions on the IBM network and that was my normal desktop application at work. If you walked up to my PC you would see 4 VM sessions, the DOS box would have dBase running and I might be using the DOS call function there to do minor housekeeping. It was in the 1994-95 time frame. You reminded me ... I also used Prodigy. |
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On 3/9/2017 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/9/2017 1:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:53:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/9/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:16:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Mrs.E. brought up the subject of the old "boats of rec.boats" website this morning over coffee. Surprisingly, it still exists although not in the original, complete form. Still, a lot of old names from the past. When I first created the original website (back in a kinder, more friendly rec.boats time) the packaged website creation software used today didn't exist. Everything was done in html code which I learned from visiting other websites and viewing the "source" code. Shuda been a hacker. :-) I remember my computer at the time was a Laser Pal 286 with a 40mb hard drive with a "high speed" 2400 baud modem. The rec.boats participants would email me a picture and description of their boat and I'd call up the code for the website page that was stored on the hard drive and insert the code to add the person and picture(s) to the list. I'd then have to upload the entire website code just to add the person. No method existed to simply add to the current, published code. With a 2400 baud modem each addition to the list took about an hour to do and upload to publish. The other problem was that I had no way of viewing what the page looked like until I published it, so if I screwed something up I had to inspect the html code to see what was wrong, fix it, and then upload the whole damn thing again. Times have sure changed. Now you can just drop a picture into a pre-formatted software package, add some text, publish just the changes and be done in a minute or so. Here's the link to what remains of the website: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/ Your browser will open an HTML directly from your hard drive as a sanity check before you upload it. Pure HTML will open in Word, in fact I sometimes compose pages there. Sure, *now*. Back then my computer didn't even have Windows. It had an ensemble called "GeoWorks". Similar in concept to Windows and, at the time, many considered it superior to Windows I. I forget what the "browser" was back then or even how it all worked. I think it may have been Netscape Navigator. I recall "AltaVista" as being the search engine. How long ago are we talking about? HTML did not come into common usage until the early 90s and by then W/3.1 was around (93). I was running W/3.1 pretty early because the BB manager of Prodigy required it. That was the only way to keep my "minutes" down online. Prodigy embraced 3.1 pretty much from it's release tho, although I ran the DOS version as long as I could. I only loaded windows when I absolutely needed it. IBM had a multi tasker that run under DOS, also allowing 4 VM sessions on the IBM network and that was my normal desktop application at work. If you walked up to my PC you would see 4 VM sessions, the DOS box would have dBase running and I might be using the DOS call function there to do minor housekeeping. It was in the 1994-95 time frame. You reminded me ... I also used Prodigy. I never was a Prodigy person... But I did use Q-Link (Quantum Link), but I think that was closer to the 1988-89 time frame, because I was still rocking a Commodore 64 and calling local BBS's... the WWW and Internet (as we know it) wasn't quite commonplace yet back in '90. I had access to internet via Pine at that point. Text only internet! By 94-95 I was using my Amiga and there was some primitive WYSIWYG HTML editors for the platform. Amazing how times have changed! |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:47:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/9/2017 1:59 PM, wrote: How long ago are we talking about? HTML did not come into common usage until the early 90s and by then W/3.1 was around (93). I was running W/3.1 pretty early because the BB manager of Prodigy required it. That was the only way to keep my "minutes" down online. Prodigy embraced 3.1 pretty much from it's release tho, although I ran the DOS version as long as I could. I only loaded windows when I absolutely needed it. IBM had a multi tasker that run under DOS, also allowing 4 VM sessions on the IBM network and that was my normal desktop application at work. If you walked up to my PC you would see 4 VM sessions, the DOS box would have dBase running and I might be using the DOS call function there to do minor housekeeping. It was in the 1994-95 time frame. You reminded me ... I also used Prodigy. Around that time, I was using VM script, which was similar to HTML to the naked eye but the tags were a little different. The transition was not that hard tho. All of that is too cumbersome to write from scratch unless you are just writing a few lines so I use an editor but once I get the boiler plate down I use note pad to alter things as often as not. |
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#7
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On 3/9/2017 4:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:47:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/9/2017 1:59 PM, wrote: How long ago are we talking about? HTML did not come into common usage until the early 90s and by then W/3.1 was around (93). I was running W/3.1 pretty early because the BB manager of Prodigy required it. That was the only way to keep my "minutes" down online. Prodigy embraced 3.1 pretty much from it's release tho, although I ran the DOS version as long as I could. I only loaded windows when I absolutely needed it. IBM had a multi tasker that run under DOS, also allowing 4 VM sessions on the IBM network and that was my normal desktop application at work. If you walked up to my PC you would see 4 VM sessions, the DOS box would have dBase running and I might be using the DOS call function there to do minor housekeeping. It was in the 1994-95 time frame. You reminded me ... I also used Prodigy. Around that time, I was using VM script, which was similar to HTML to the naked eye but the tags were a little different. The transition was not that hard tho. All of that is too cumbersome to write from scratch unless you are just writing a few lines so I use an editor but once I get the boiler plate down I use note pad to alter things as often as not. My rememberer is starting to work. I used to store the whole html code for the boats of rec.boats website in a file using Geowriter. It was the Geoworks version of a word processor. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:53:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: I forget what the "browser" was back then or even how it all worked. I think it may have been Netscape Navigator. I recall "AltaVista" as being the search engine. === Good old AltaVista. At one time it was arguably the best search engine on the internet. I believe it was created by Digital Equipment Corp but they were too dumb and inflexible to realize the value of what they'd created. It could have saved their failing mini computer business if they had known what to do with it. |
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