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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) === I feel exactly the same way. Plumbing and I have never gotten along well together and do it only when absolutely necessary. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Toilets are OK. Can get to them. And when the kids were small, always kept an extra wax ring, and they would dump something down the toilet and plug the dang thing. Under sinks are the worst. No really room. I am a big guy. 6'4" and 46" Xlong coat. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:07:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Toilets are OK. Can get to them. And when the kids were small, always kept an extra wax ring, and they would dump something down the toilet and plug the dang thing. Under sinks are the worst. No really room. I am a big guy. 6'4" and 46" Xlong coat. One thing I found is, it goes a lot easier if you use the new hose type connections for the faucet hook up. The newer faucets also have extended pigtails on the water inputs so they are below the sink base. The Price Pfisters I have in the kitchens also have an extended bolt deal to hold them down so you are just working with a socket, not a basin wrench and you are not on your back inside the cabinet. Some time it is easier just to pull the sink out, plumb it and put it back. My wife usually jumps in and cleans all of that stuff that was hard to get to with the sink in place. In the master bath I have some hard to get at Delta faucets but I took a key from the PPs and extended the intake pipes so I can see them below the sink. The typical 1/2" NPT stems have an internal diameter that lends itself to tapping to 1/4" pipe and then you can extend it down with a pipe nipple, put a female adapter to 3/8 compression and screw on one of those hoses. The collar nut that locks it to the sink still slips right over all of that. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:56:21 -0500, Alex wrote:
Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! According to him it was a guy who's been doing his plumbing work for a long time. Hell, it couldn't have taken more than 15 minutes to put in a new flush valve. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:56:21 -0500, Alex wrote: Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! According to him it was a guy who's been doing his plumbing work for a long time. Hell, it couldn't have taken more than 15 minutes to put in a new flush valve. And how much time for travel, and government required bookkeeping? |
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justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. A friend years ago was a contractor. Sink p-trap breaks on thanksgiving. He went to,his neighbor who was a plumbing contractor. He said he knows how they do good jobs quick. Contractor loaned him the work truck, and he said had any possible item required. No extra trips. |
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