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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:12:01 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. The main reason why trades do not make more money is they are horrible business people. We see it all the time around here. A trade will decide to go off on his own and loses his ass because he does not understand "overhead" and under bids his jobs. My wife and I have often thought a good business would be to just teach these guys how to run a small business. It is a unique skill that you would not get in an MBA program. Big business is not like small business |
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On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. One has to wonder why Hollywood makes them out to be stupid. Maybe it's the stupid mentality of the PPLs in Hollywood, eh Krause. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. One has to wonder why Hollywood makes them out to be stupid. Maybe it's the stupid mentality of the PPLs in Hollywood, eh Krause. Is an amazing percentage of the Hollywood actor and actress's who did not graduate high school. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. That is a good reason why you should not be a one trick pony. Guys who know how to crossover across a few different trades usually find all the work they need. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. Most construction accidents are caused by people trying to do stupid things. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. Huh? I understand guys like roof framers know several trig tricks but they do not really know trig. It is just skill in using a framing square. They will beat a guy with a scientific calculator and a protractor every time. (speed and accuracy) The same is true of guys bending pipe in the electrical trade. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. Not really that many these days. |
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On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. |
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On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) |
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