On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of ****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.

On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,� and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.

On 1/14/2017 2:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently
and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the
opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,� and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.


I just read Motor Trend's test of the Tacoma TRD and was about to
concede that you were 100 percent correct. You beat me to the punch
with the above info.

That *is* respectable performance for a 6 cylinder truck.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:56:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/14/2017 2:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently
and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the
opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,” and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.


I just read Motor Trend's test of the Tacoma TRD and was about to
concede that you were 100 percent correct. You beat me to the punch
with the above info.

That *is* respectable performance for a 6 cylinder truck.


See, Harry, that's what an upstanding individual does when he makes a mistake. You should take some
lessons.

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:56:20 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 2:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently
and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the
opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,� and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.


I just read Motor Trend's test of the Tacoma TRD and was about to
concede that you were 100 percent correct. You beat me to the punch
with the above info.

That *is* respectable performance for a 6 cylinder truck.

The manual has a higher ratio rear end, so it is quicker off the line. However, harry says he (admittedly) doesn't shift a manual very well, so his claims to have run the truck as fast as an expert driver fall short.

"In Edmunds performance testing of two TRD Off-Road Double Cab V6 models with the automatic, we recorded an average acceleration time to 60 mph of 8.3 seconds, which is slower than the four-wheel-drive Colorado V6. A TRD Sport Double Cab V6 we tested hit 60 in a slightly better 8.2 seconds."

C&D and R&T are known for fudging the numbers and giving glowing reviews of vehicles. And why not? They make their money from advertising, and they certainly don't want to **** off their providers of income.

The Taco is a decent little truck.