On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:32:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 11/21/16 6:23 PM, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Califbill
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"How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases."


You miss the point, Swill.
I don't rate it as a truck...Toyota does as do the Nova Scotia Registry of Motor Vehicles and my insurance company.
Now, I realize few of them were ever Silicone Valley engineers but they seem confident in their ratings.
I just call it my Highlander.


A real truck wouldn't fit in your driveway.


But it probably would fit up your cowardly ass, which assuredly was
plumbed many times in those navy washrooms, eh, pussy?

*Real* maturity. Donnie must love it. You're talking about rectums, his favorite subject.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:21:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 11/21/16 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/21/16 4:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.


Perhaps you should take that up with the government of Nova Scotia or
Canada, since it bothers you so much, eh?

Hmmm. My old SUV shared a chassis with the Toyota truck. If you put a
cap with windows and a door on the back, the truck was very much like a
"closed SUV." Words, they'll really **** you over, Woz.


Did your "truck" have a truck bed?



My old SUV had a large flat area behind the front seats that certainly
could be called a truck bed.

But then, you called the barn 'yours'. What to believe, eh Krause?

I can just see you dumping a yard of mulch into the 'flat area behind the front seats', eh Krause?

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:59:31 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:04:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:35:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.

Same way you call a van a truck.


If you have a van without side windows in the back, then is a commercial
plate van.


I think the difference in modern vechicles is body on frame versus
unibody construction. The 4Runner is body on frame, which is a truck
chassis. Small vans are usually of unibody construction ... car chassis
basically.

I did a little looking at the CFR that regulates the MCO and they
separate the vehicles as Passenger car, Multipurpose vehicle (SUV)
Truck, Motorcycle, Trailer and incomplete vehicle on the MCO. (and in
the VIN)
There may also be an indicator of body style but that is not defined
in the CFR. It ends up in the manufacturer defined fields of the VIN
if it is there. (position 4-7)

I've done some checking of my own. My Moto Guzzi is definitely a motorcycle. Krause's Ducati is a
dream.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:20:09 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 5:11:36 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/20/16 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 8:14:53 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 12:37:40 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Our gas is 96 cents a liter right now.

That would be almost $4US a gallon and we are paying less than $2 in
Ft Myers.

1.82per gal in Effingham IL today. And that's whith gobs of taxes applied per gal. too



And not only that, but Effingham has an ugly steel cross that its
sponsors believe is one of the "largest" in the United States, 198 feet
tall, making the town a "must see" for, well, I suppose, cross lovers
looking for cheap gasoline.

I don't know why you say it's "ugly" when it's actually quite beautifully maintained with a great access and lawn surrounding it. say it's a "must see" unless you're traveling down that 4-lane, then it really is kind of hard to miss it.

http://www.effinghamil.com/sites/def...?itok=W-6aJiS_

But it's way out of town and not in shight of the cheap gasoline stations.

But criticize all you want Harry, neither you or any organization can do anything to remove it. It's been tried by individual lawsuits many times over.

Harry much prefers this: http://tinyurl.com/zgsqpfr

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:59:31 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:04:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:35:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.

Same way you call a van a truck.


If you have a van without side windows in the back, then is a commercial
plate van.


I think the difference in modern vechicles is body on frame versus
unibody construction. The 4Runner is body on frame, which is a truck
chassis. Small vans are usually of unibody construction ... car chassis
basically.

I did a little looking at the CFR that regulates the MCO and they
separate the vehicles as Passenger car, Multipurpose vehicle (SUV)
Truck, Motorcycle, Trailer and incomplete vehicle on the MCO. (and in
the VIN)
There may also be an indicator of body style but that is not defined
in the CFR. It ends up in the manufacturer defined fields of the VIN
if it is there. (position 4-7)

I've done some checking of my own. My Moto Guzzi is definitely a motorcycle. Krause's Ducati is a
dream.

I've been looking online at the MG Stelvio, Had a getoff on my BMW last month, Looks to be totaled from what I've heard, Stuck in wheelchair for now so haven't been able to get out in the garage to give it a look yet.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:36:23 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:58:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/21/16 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:25:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?

In Maryland the "1/2 ton pickup" was a catch all for anything with a
(load) bed and less than 6000 GWV. Florida is the same way. What else
would you call a vehicle with a bed in the back? It certainly is not a
sedan.
I assume your only contact with titling cars is paying a
"professional" service and putting on the tags. (Or is this just
something else you were "800" on and then forgot)?
Since the US is the largest market for Canadian built cars, I assume
they have similar vehicle standards.



Actually, we typically let the dealer do the title work...takes less
time than going to the DMV, usually.

My 4Runner had a bed in the back. It was based on a Toyota truck chassis
and engine. Put a custom cap on the truck and you have what, an SUV?

OK I acknowledge the reason for your ignorance of the issue. The
designation of vehicle type is on the manufacturer's Certificate of
Origin that you present to DMV the first time the vehicle enters the
title system (hence my reference to Canada and their US market).
In the case of my dune buggy, I was the manufacturer and I got to
decide what to call it as long as it met the DMV guideline at the
time. A car was inspected, a truck wasn't so the trick to get a dune
buggy on the road was to have a little bed in the back and title it as
a truck.
In the case of these little car frames with truck or SUV bodies, the
manufacturer decides what to call them, within certain limits. If it
has an open bed it will be a 1/2 ton pickup tho. It is when it has a
metal fully enclosed bed that it can be a car, a truck or a utility
vehicle. My Suburban was titled as a car and it had the Chevy "C" body
truck chassis. My "Jeepster" (72 Jeep Commando) was 1000 pounds
lighter and it was a utility vehicle. If it was ordered without the
full top, it was a truck.

The Ford 1/2 ton has a towing capacity from 50% to 100% (depending on engine) greater than the
4Runner. I wouldn't put the 4Runner in the same category. Maybe closer to the Tacoma.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 04:50:53 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:59:31 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:04:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:35:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.

Same way you call a van a truck.


If you have a van without side windows in the back, then is a commercial
plate van.


I think the difference in modern vechicles is body on frame versus
unibody construction. The 4Runner is body on frame, which is a truck
chassis. Small vans are usually of unibody construction ... car chassis
basically.

I did a little looking at the CFR that regulates the MCO and they
separate the vehicles as Passenger car, Multipurpose vehicle (SUV)
Truck, Motorcycle, Trailer and incomplete vehicle on the MCO. (and in
the VIN)
There may also be an indicator of body style but that is not defined
in the CFR. It ends up in the manufacturer defined fields of the VIN
if it is there. (position 4-7)

I've done some checking of my own. My Moto Guzzi is definitely a motorcycle. Krause's Ducati is a
dream.

I've been looking online at the MG Stelvio, Had a getoff on my BMW last month, Looks to be totaled from what I've heard, Stuck in wheelchair for now so haven't been able to get out in the garage to give it a look yet.

*If* I were going to get another Moto Guzzi, it'd be the Stelvio. But, if I were going to buy
another bike of any kind, I think I'd get a Honda ST1300, if it's big enough for my legs. I've not
sat on one. I like what I've heard about them, I like the style, and I like the fact that service
departments are readily available.

But, I can't see anything replacing my Mille GT until I'm so decrepit I need a scooter. Then it'll
be the Honda Silverwing scooter.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:50:54 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:59:31 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:04:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:35:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.

Same way you call a van a truck.


If you have a van without side windows in the back, then is a commercial
plate van.


I think the difference in modern vechicles is body on frame versus
unibody construction. The 4Runner is body on frame, which is a truck
chassis. Small vans are usually of unibody construction ... car chassis
basically.

I did a little looking at the CFR that regulates the MCO and they
separate the vehicles as Passenger car, Multipurpose vehicle (SUV)
Truck, Motorcycle, Trailer and incomplete vehicle on the MCO. (and in
the VIN)
There may also be an indicator of body style but that is not defined
in the CFR. It ends up in the manufacturer defined fields of the VIN
if it is there. (position 4-7)

I've done some checking of my own. My Moto Guzzi is definitely a motorcycle. Krause's Ducati is a
dream.

I've been looking online at the MG Stelvio, Had a getoff on my BMW last month, Looks to be totaled from what I've heard, Stuck in wheelchair for now so haven't been able to get out in the garage to give it a look yet.

Oh man, that is so misfortune. Hope you can heal up ok.

On 11/22/16 8:22 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:50:54 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:59:31 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:04:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:35:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.

Same way you call a van a truck.


If you have a van without side windows in the back, then is a commercial
plate van.


I think the difference in modern vechicles is body on frame versus
unibody construction. The 4Runner is body on frame, which is a truck
chassis. Small vans are usually of unibody construction ... car chassis
basically.

I did a little looking at the CFR that regulates the MCO and they
separate the vehicles as Passenger car, Multipurpose vehicle (SUV)
Truck, Motorcycle, Trailer and incomplete vehicle on the MCO. (and in
the VIN)
There may also be an indicator of body style but that is not defined
in the CFR. It ends up in the manufacturer defined fields of the VIN
if it is there. (position 4-7)

I've done some checking of my own. My Moto Guzzi is definitely a motorcycle. Krause's Ducati is a
dream.

I've been looking online at the MG Stelvio, Had a getoff on my BMW last month, Looks to be totaled from what I've heard, Stuck in wheelchair for now so haven't been able to get out in the garage to give it a look yet.

Oh man, that is so misfortune. Hope you can heal up ok.


I got rid of my first motorcycle after a bizarre accident in Kansas that
left both me and the bike uninjured, thanks to a quickly falling
snowstorm. Traded the Honda for a nice, safe, used Chevy.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 7:50:54 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-8, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:59:31 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:04:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:35:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:11:59 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

.
It's registered as a truck and the insurance company rates it as a truck.

I had a VW based dune buggy with a 36HP motor and no bumpers and it
was titled as a 1/2 ton truck in Maryland so that does not mean much.


Maryland and Nova Scotia/Canada share vehicle definition criteria or is
this just more of your "same same" delusion?


How do you rate a closed SUV as a truck? Where is the load bed? In
California, if was rated as a truck, would pay extra for commercial plates,
unless all you hauled was suitcases.

Same way you call a van a truck.


If you have a van without side windows in the back, then is a commercial
plate van.


I think the difference in modern vechicles is body on frame versus
unibody construction. The 4Runner is body on frame, which is a truck
chassis. Small vans are usually of unibody construction ... car chassis
basically.

I did a little looking at the CFR that regulates the MCO and they
separate the vehicles as Passenger car, Multipurpose vehicle (SUV)
Truck, Motorcycle, Trailer and incomplete vehicle on the MCO. (and in
the VIN)
There may also be an indicator of body style but that is not defined
in the CFR. It ends up in the manufacturer defined fields of the VIN
if it is there. (position 4-7)

I've done some checking of my own. My Moto Guzzi is definitely a motorcycle. Krause's Ducati is a
dream.

I've been looking online at the MG Stelvio, Had a getoff on my BMW last month, Looks to be totaled from what I've heard, Stuck in wheelchair for now so haven't been able to get out in the garage to give it a look yet.

Damn, the least I could have done was express a bit of sympathy! Sorry to hear about the crackup. How bad are the injuries? Who proclaimed the bike totaled? Could be you could buy it back and fix it with used parts. My Dutch friend did that with a new Guzzi a few years back. Got his check from the insurance for $18K, or so, then bought the bike back from them for about $4K.. The bike needed a whole new front end, but that was it. He had it up and running again for about $2K.