Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
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Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:50:06 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

That's common in a lot of "trade unions" and you know it.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:50:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Wood scaffolds? Another 20th century idea that technology has wiped
away. These climbing scaffolds come in on a truck and move up as the
block does.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Michigan%20...20Scaffold.jpg

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/12/16 7:56 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:50:06 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

That's common in a lot of "trade unions" and you know it.


Yes, I'm sure many of the "experts" in construction in this newsgroup
could learn the skills of a hod carrier in a few months. Of course
they'd fall over and die from a day of doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Ye2DEbUnI

or maybe learn how to throw cement like these South African fellows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGj-KkjwXJY

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:50:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Have to attack families to make a point, Krause?

Cheap.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?