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A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Oh SAVE us Unions, save us.
LOL The unions have already done quite a bit to "save" you. Do you enjoy weekends off? Paid vacation? Health insurance? Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for unfair personnel decisions by your employer? Do you enjoy a company retirement plan? Is there on-the-job training available to you to help you advance in your career and improve your skills? Here's a flash for you: None of these things, taken for granted by most American workers, were awarded as a result of the overwhelming generosity and human kindness of the business community. Why are conservatives so eager to see unions disbanded? So the take backs can begin and we'll all wind up working for crap wages, no benefits, and expected to put in a few hours here and there "off the clock" like at the Walton Foundation's retail front. :-( As long as you are sure you're going to be one of the "haves," who gives a Schlitz about the growing chasm between the workers and management, right? Getting the unions out of the way is the best way to see that the workers "get what they've really had coming all along." One of the problems with the British capital economic model that the conservatives are clamoring for is that a *ferocious* division between classes would develop here, just as it has in countries where the British capital economic model prevails. A hard working individual should be able to get ahead in life, not constantly cut off at the pass because of his pedigree. |
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I like it. Can't tell you how many times I've said to people that I wish some politician would put up a challange for alternative energy / energy independence along the same lines as JFK did for the space race. ~ I haven't read through the details of that site yet, but thanks for posting it. Another idea: Have a tax on gallons of oil. That is, say 5 cents per gallon of CRUDE used. That tax slowly inceases over the years. All revenu goes toward alternative energy research, development, and implementation. That way ALL users of crude help get us off the crude. The impact from such a tax would seem to hit all sectors equally and in proportion to their use of oil...so is about as fair as a tax can be. Gary |
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Sure blame everything on the unions. Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the
illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA. That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap. Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out. This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my country spending my tax dollars on. You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral low IQ simpletons. When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow a few more Valiums. It's only going to get better once the money grabbing political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it, now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K |
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Harry Krause wrote:
A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K |
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Jack Rye wrote:
Thanks for the reply Jack, Sure blame everything on the unions. I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic example. Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA. That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap. yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand. The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor, The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are just a great free bonus. China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly the market for the wests goods will be huge. So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just Harry type simpletons. Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out. No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try & deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly chased real manufacturing out of the US. The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always will. I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands, trouble is it never stands rational examination. This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my country spending my tax dollars on. But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it. Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look, the world has never been in better shape, never. You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral low IQ simpletons. What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away. When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow a few more Valiums. We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell. It's only going to get better once the money grabbing political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it, now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty. It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only thing holding you back from the same is you. Best regards & thanks again. K I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you, see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow??? As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K |
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Don't forget nuclear power.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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K Smith wrote in message news:bnag6a$tr5km$1@ID-
You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K What a completely ignorant statement! Do you HONESTLY and INTELLIGENTLY believe that we are dependant on foreign oil because of unions? Laughable. |
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Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower Hightower was a unsuccessful liberal talk radio host. A big idea from one loser to another... Kinda like quoting Rush Limbaugh... -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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I hate people that can't sum up their thoughts in a coherent statement.
Instead Morons like you, need to reply to individual statements with whole paragraphs of misinformed diluted ideas. If for one minute you believe that a corporation has your best interest in mind. You really are lost. Corporations don't give a dam about you, towns, environment, countries, or their employees. They only care about the bottom line, stock price, dividend, and whether or not they are going to get their bonuses. Wal-Mart is a perfect example of how companies will screw anyone over just to make a profit. Take a look at the thriving towns in America where they have put everyone out of business. All you see are This space for rent. Which is the republican success symbol. R+D is a way to manufacture jobs, Not selling the same crap for years. Without R+D you have a stagnant economy. Consumers get the same low quality crap at a higher price. Sure it may come in a new color or have an added bell or whistle. But it's the same inefficient bogus crap that been marketed in a new and exciting way. I won't say that Unions have done a great job. They two are as flawed as the corporations. Unions have made an impact on the companies bottom line by insisting that children be excluded from the factory work place. improving the safety of workers. and giving the workers benefits packages. The only reason that Henry Ford paid his worker above scale pay was so they would be able to buy his cars. When it comes right down to it. Stagnation with Republican Voo Doo economics giving the rich tax cuts, doesn't work. The money never trickles down. It just makes people like you trickle down closer to poverty. I sure am glad that you and your children worked 15 hours a day in steel mill and sweat shops instead attending the third grade. Have a wonderful migraine head ache comprehending the above. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Jack Rye wrote: Thanks for the reply Jack, Sure blame everything on the unions. I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic example. Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA. That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap. yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand. The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor, The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are just a great free bonus. China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly the market for the wests goods will be huge. So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just Harry type simpletons. Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out. No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try & deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly chased real manufacturing out of the US. The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always will. I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands, trouble is it never stands rational examination. This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my country spending my tax dollars on. But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it. Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look, the world has never been in better shape, never. You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral low IQ simpletons. What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away. When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow a few more Valiums. We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell. It's only going to get better once the money grabbing political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it, now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty. It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only thing holding you back from the same is you. Best regards & thanks again. K I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you, see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow??? As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Jack Rye wrote: Thanks for the reply Jack, Sure blame everything on the unions. I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic example. Your ignorance says more about you than you realize. Most of the younger "uneducated simpletons" I know who run unions have bachelor's degrees, and several have master's degrees. Most of the older generation of union leaders, the ones who have retired or are close to retirement, were educated in the school of hard knocks, but some of them managed to get college degrees, too. On the other hand, *you* never completed college and got a degree, and by the tone of your political posts here, I would posit that *you* are the simpleton. Well you see this is your problem Harry, I' let my understandings & posts stand whereas you lie about just about everything including that you are educated. The truth is you have no degrees indeed you're not even literate. In the past when others have tried there is no trace of you having even attended any tertiary education. As you usually do you lie you want to claim authority you just make up a lie like; Education you have none "you've" claimed it often 3 yrs of medicine, 4 degrees & 2 masters BS you're a simpleton. So give the ins & outs so your BS can be checked. I mean once when you were cornered you actually claimed to have contacted your old uni & told them not to release anything , even that you were there!!! What a hopeless lying turd you are. Boat?? No way you never have & certainly don't now. All your boat lies are just your usual lying MO so you can claim authority. You were caught red handed with the Hatt, the seapro the lobster boat & now the parker. I'm sure given your obvious mental illness, you see carrying off these lies as a triumph, trouble is all you manage to prove with them these days is that the lefties are the only ones simple enough to believe you & well if you think that's a triumph I guess you need more pills. The jetski you were making the usual nuisance of yourself in the jetski NG so claimed to own one, again another of your sad lies. Guns you want to have a go at gun owners but again that gets tricky unless you claim to know something so hey you lie again & claim to be a sports shooter & not just any either of course but a prize winner. (Why not you lie about everything even down to claiming to be a semi pro racing car driver; what a giggle!!) You want to **** can Kansas so you lie about having been to school there again nobody can find any evidence at all, not your results but just ever having been there. I don't make claims Harry so you can't ask for details but you do you lie & every time you get caught out as the liar you are. The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS is just BS & nothing more. Yep. More evidence that you are an ignorant simpleton. The world has never had so many people, so much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always will. ot any paten So, Karen...got a degree? Got any job experience? Got anything at all beyond your potty mouth? As usual because you are so illiterate & uneducated you can't even formulate a rejoinder. To think scum like you are still running around spruiking honest american workers out of union fees so they pay for you to loose them their jobs. BTW, I happened to come across that photo of your boat. Yep what a honey & well at least I actually own a boat, you know registered provable etc. Unlike you who can only tell lies & make up over the top claims. What a wreck. Over the years she's had an interesting career unlike you, but hey she's still doing sterling service as a test bed, again unlike you. How can you possible make judgments about the boats of others, when the one you own is a derelict that looks like someone with no experience in nautical design put together from three leftover wrecks? Actually she's one on the most famous designs down here & many are still being used commercially as she was once. And that oil-puffing, rust-covered piece-of-crap diesel outboard on the transom? Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? that one the real one?? belonging to me that we designed & built?? the one that actually exists?? unlike you fantasy lie boats?? the one with a checkable trade name & everything?? Yes it's a testament to the blokes & you nor your lying dealer mates didn't even know of my diesel OBs till the pic went on the recboats page what in 98?? By the way; several more have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed so has had lots of changes along the way. If Australia has an EPA, you ought to be on its hit list with that slapped together bucket of bolts. We have pretty regular contact with the state EPA about lots of things but I doubt they'd have any concerns with the motors, gee no oil in the fuel, completely sealed cooling, no smoke, no smell, no damage done to anyone ..... except you!! you sad jealous limp old man. Anyway K By the way here's your attempt to explain why nobody despite great effort could uncover even your attendance at a kids school let alone a proper tertiary education. If anyone actually believes this of a student from 30 yrs ago they're as simple as you, whereupon people probably pure ice water in their ears. Now if they checked dishonest lying union bully boys ending citizens jobs on mass??? I bet they'd find you in a flash. As a matter of fact, as I mentioned last week, I had some email from one university that knows me well, and the registrar's office reiterated its policy of no release of data without permission. |
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"K Smith" wrote in message
... You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... Where did THAT come from??? Holy smokes....what a troll. |
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"K Smith" wrote in message
... China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly the market for the wests goods will be huge. China!?! The country whose environmental regulation of industry is best described as "What? Huh?" The country where people are put to death for petty theft, unless their family is well connected? That China? No thanks. I don't want my money going there. I don't buy the crap about how an influx of money will drag them kicking and screaming into a world of better behavior. |
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"Charles" wrote in message
... Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower Hightower was a unsuccessful liberal talk radio host. A big idea from one loser to another... Kinda like quoting Rush Limbaugh... -- Charlie You're right. There's nothing we can do to to make a better world. We should avoid thinking about it as much as possible. Better to stay home, eat potato chips and watch Homer. |
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K Smith wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. By the way; several more have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed so has had lots of changes along the way. Have you figured out which alloys to use that don't rust in salt water? -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"liberals in a nutshell"?
What a stereotypical thing to say. Difference between us....I conclude you made such a stupid, sweeping statement because of you personal prejudices and misconceptions. Has nothing to do with your political philosophy. There are some conservatives who are deep thinking, sincere, individuals. They would never presume that all liberals could be stuffed into a "nutshell." |
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Spare me Hoffa. I enjoy all of these things. I'm not in a union.
And so do millions of Americans who do not belong to unions. Employers provide benefits so that they can offer a competitive employment package and avoid losing good help to competitors with paid vacation, sick leave, medical benefits, overtime after 40, etc. My employer provides them for me because i'm worth it (at least right now i am). If they didn't, they know i'd go somewhere else. EXACTLY! :-) |
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Jack Rye wrote:
I hate people that can't sum up their thoughts in a coherent statement. Instead Morons like you, need to reply to individual statements with whole paragraphs of misinformed diluted ideas. gee you're not too bad yourself Jack :-) If for one minute you believe that a corporation has your best interest in mind. You really are lost. Corporations don't give a dam about you, towns, environment, countries, or their employees. They only care about the bottom line, stock price, dividend, and whether or not they are going to get their bonuses. Wal-Mart is a perfect example of how companies will screw anyone over just to make a profit. Take a look at the thriving towns in America where they have put everyone out of business. All you see are This space for rent. Which is the republican success symbol. I never said corps had "your" best interests at heart they don't & why should they?? or is this just more of your socialistic crap about somebody owing you something for nothing?? R+D is a way to manufacture jobs, Not selling the same crap for years. Without R+D you have a stagnant economy. Consumers get the same low quality crap at a higher price. Sure it may come in a new color or have an added bell or whistle. But it's the same inefficient bogus crap that been marketed in a new and exciting way. R&D is OK & as you say necessary, but what's your point?? Do you think if there was a market for things Corps wouldn't try to exploit it?? of course they would & most real advances have been driven by the profit motive which you of course see as evil, because you don't get something for nothing. I won't say that Unions have done a great job. They two are as flawed as the corporations. Unions have made an impact on the companies bottom line by insisting that children be excluded from the factory work place. improving the safety of workers. and giving the workers benefits packages. The only reason that Henry Ford paid his worker above scale pay was so they would be able to buy his cars. But you seem to know about Henry Ford's comments yet can't see the same rationale when used globally. Lets cut to it Jack you & Harry are just failed wasted lives, individuals who couldn't cut it even in the best country on earth, so you don't change??? no you continue with the very reason your lives were wasted, waiting & bleating, hoping somebody, anybody might throw you a free bone, pathetic. When it comes right down to it. Stagnation with Republican Voo Doo economics giving the rich tax cuts, doesn't work. The money never trickles down. It just makes people like you trickle down closer to poverty. Taxes are a disincentive for the clever to do anything. Any Govt of any colour just squanders collected taxes on pet projects for their particular constituents, dems or repubs. So reduce taxes at least there is more incentive for the actual GDP builders & less for the socialists to waste. I sure am glad that you and your children worked 15 hours a day in steel mill and sweat shops instead attending the third grade. Typical mantra of those with no real answers. Have a wonderful migraine head ache comprehending the above. Understanding where you're coming from & what you're really after is as easy as looking through an open window. K Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Jack Rye wrote: Thanks for the reply Jack, Sure blame everything on the unions. I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic example. Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA. That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap. yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand. The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor, The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are just a great free bonus. China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly the market for the wests goods will be huge. So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just Harry type simpletons. Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out. No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try & deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly chased real manufacturing out of the US. The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always will. I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands, trouble is it never stands rational examination. This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my country spending my tax dollars on. But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it. Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look, the world has never been in better shape, never. You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral low IQ simpletons. What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away. When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow a few more Valiums. We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell. It's only going to get better once the money grabbing political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it, now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty. It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only thing holding you back from the same is you. Best regards & thanks again. K I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you, see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow??? As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew they tried to put a diesel OB together in the same manner a 2 stroke petrol is. This meant they couldn't go much bigger that 38HP, it took me & my blokes to actually design & build bigger full OB diesels, which have no upper limit given available diesel cores. Thanks for the headsup on that; even if you're as dumb as dirt you occasionally fluke it. By the way; several more have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed so has had lots of changes along the way. Have you figured out which alloys to use that don't rust in salt water? Hmmm I got into trouble years ago for telling you too much but the short answer is "yes":-) K |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"K Smith" wrote in message ... China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly the market for the wests goods will be huge. China!?! The country whose environmental regulation of industry is best described as "What? Huh?" The country where people are put to death for petty theft, unless their family is well connected? That China? See Doug everything is relative. The environment is fine you only get caught up in the crap because vested (usually unionist driven lefties) drive it. i.e. it does much more actual damage to the environment to recycle your domestic garbage than just throw it away. As for death penalty laws?? gees louise you have some pretty scary practices on that front yourselves; deserved??? Me personally I say nobody (no not even him) ever "deserves" that US or China & it's a comment on the executioners more than the criminals. No thanks. I don't want my money going there. I don't buy the crap about how an influx of money will drag them kicking and screaming into a world of better behavior. I totally agree with you on that & I'm the same, but equally you & I are exercising our free choice & we still have a choice. You (with me) exercise it but build walls & we'll never be able to make that choice rationally in possession of the real facts & as proven with your car industry it's down hill from there. The Harry unionist bully boys don't want you to have a choice because they controlling lying dishonest simpletons K |
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K Smith: It must be nice to sit alone and comment on the world according to
K Smith's special rose tinted glasses. I am a republican and one of the few people that actually benefited from the voo doo tax cuts and economic plan. The last republican president I voted for was Jerry Ford. That was when I became legal age to vote. It wasn't because I didn't understand the issues. I just believed that straight tickets won elections. I will vote for Dean. Now that our company has finished acquiring Attwood, and the transition is complete. I am off to O'Hare, then the Pacific again to spend more time with my family on our dingy. Just one of the corporate perks. If you ever have anything interesting to say besides putting your foot in your mouth I will be glade to debased you again. Try to come up with an original thought by Monday. Keep chasing those rose colored windmills Don Quote. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Jack Rye wrote: I hate people that can't sum up their thoughts in a coherent statement. Instead Morons like you, need to reply to individual statements with whole paragraphs of misinformed diluted ideas. gee you're not too bad yourself Jack :-) If for one minute you believe that a corporation has your best interest in mind. You really are lost. Corporations don't give a dam about you, towns, environment, countries, or their employees. They only care about the bottom line, stock price, dividend, and whether or not they are going to get their bonuses. Wal-Mart is a perfect example of how companies will screw anyone over just to make a profit. Take a look at the thriving towns in America where they have put everyone out of business. All you see are This space for rent. Which is the republican success symbol. I never said corps had "your" best interests at heart they don't & why should they?? or is this just more of your socialistic crap about somebody owing you something for nothing?? R+D is a way to manufacture jobs, Not selling the same crap for years. Without R+D you have a stagnant economy. Consumers get the same low quality crap at a higher price. Sure it may come in a new color or have an added bell or whistle. But it's the same inefficient bogus crap that been marketed in a new and exciting way. R&D is OK & as you say necessary, but what's your point?? Do you think if there was a market for things Corps wouldn't try to exploit it?? of course they would & most real advances have been driven by the profit motive which you of course see as evil, because you don't get something for nothing. I won't say that Unions have done a great job. They two are as flawed as the corporations. Unions have made an impact on the companies bottom line by insisting that children be excluded from the factory work place. improving the safety of workers. and giving the workers benefits packages. The only reason that Henry Ford paid his worker above scale pay was so they would be able to buy his cars. But you seem to know about Henry Ford's comments yet can't see the same rationale when used globally. Lets cut to it Jack you & Harry are just failed wasted lives, individuals who couldn't cut it even in the best country on earth, so you don't change??? no you continue with the very reason your lives were wasted, waiting & bleating, hoping somebody, anybody might throw you a free bone, pathetic. When it comes right down to it. Stagnation with Republican Voo Doo economics giving the rich tax cuts, doesn't work. The money never trickles down. It just makes people like you trickle down closer to poverty. Taxes are a disincentive for the clever to do anything. Any Govt of any colour just squanders collected taxes on pet projects for their particular constituents, dems or repubs. So reduce taxes at least there is more incentive for the actual GDP builders & less for the socialists to waste. I sure am glad that you and your children worked 15 hours a day in steel mill and sweat shops instead attending the third grade. Typical mantra of those with no real answers. Have a wonderful migraine head ache comprehending the above. Understanding where you're coming from & what you're really after is as easy as looking through an open window. K Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Jack Rye wrote: Thanks for the reply Jack, Sure blame everything on the unions. I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic example. Keep shopping at Wal-Mart so the illegal aliens will keep their jobs. Wal-Mart promotes BUY, MADE IN AMERICA. That's the biggest joke of them all. Take a look at where their merchandise comes from. Cheap foreign labor! Cheap foreign labor produces cheap crap. yes it's "cheap" foreign labour so what?? Try to look just past your own front door. All the counties you complain about have to start out somewhere because they have nothing & yes for a while the people will work for almost nothing, but remember it's not "just" the workers, it's the regulations, the councils (local authorities etc etc ) they're all only too happy to see US Cos setup & start making stuff giving their people jobs. However after a while just like your country people want more, then the greenies start whining, the council wants a bigger cut till after a while there are so many greedy socialist hangers on that the once "cheap" thing isn't much cheaper than the made in the US brand. The examples are Japan, Malaysia, Phil. Rkor, The advantage to "you" is those countries are now huge consumers of your wares, your computers & technology. They never would have been had your market not been able to drag them up. The humanitarian benefits are just a great free bonus. China & Rkor are already starting the "demand" more & particularly China will ultimately fail or dump communism, but whatever if the west's market clought can raise their standards of living even just slightly the market for the wests goods will be huge. So free trade benefits everybody, except the union bullies who are just Harry type simpletons. Cleaning up the environment will lead to millions of jobs. When I look at a land fill. I see a natural resources not just the garbage you toss out. No jack the environment is doing just fine, & cleaning it up as you suggest will not add anything to GDP. It's just a union ploy to try & deal themselves back into the game, after they almost singlehandedly chased real manufacturing out of the US. The so called environment problems, global warming & all the other BS is just BS & nothing more. The world has never had so many people, so much safe food, such long life expectancies, infant survival rates, etc etc etc The biggest problem really is aids & guess what you've almost got that managable, what union was involved??? None?? it was free enterprise driven by the profit motive, which got there & mostly always will. I suspect you might be a child from your posts at least mentally, but us proper grownups can remember the previous scare campaigns from the simpleton left, our world was for sure, without any doubt going to run out of food in the mid 80's according to the simpletons, the water was gone etc etc etc In previous time the religious charlatons were the main spruikers for this crap but these days almost any simpletons can have a go. They don't have the where with all to be rational & love running in packs so any cock & bull story that comes along to give them a cause, or usually control over others, they grab it with both greedy hands, trouble is it never stands rational examination. This country is moving towards a society that will one day have a country cleaner than American Indians did. A society that has a 35 hour work week with more paid vacations and full health benefits. Just as soon as people like you, ask not what you can do for your county ask what the hell is my country spending my tax dollars on. But you already have that!!! 300 mil people almost none live in squalor. The aboriginals did& the died very very young on account of it. Again stop running with the loons get off your sad arse & have look, the world has never been in better shape, never. You have the audacity to call others who think differently than your moral low IQ simpletons. What else can it be??? It's all there for the looking but they still run around trying to hold the world back & oops guess what it just happens they know what's best & in Harry's union mates' case they want their criminal power back now they've chased most manufacturing away. When in fact it's people like you that where afraid of the industrial revolution and the computer. Have another Martini and swallow a few more Valiums. We're not the luddites it's your noisy crowd, gee we embrace technology, I only need look at your post's full headers to see you can't even work a computer, so again look before you yell. It's only going to get better once the money grabbing political hypocrites in Washington are strung up by their thumbs. I know exactly where you stand. Sure give congress a pay raise. They deserve it, now that $750,000.00 is considered poverty. It's call democracy Jack something you lefties don't like at all, if the people don't like it they'll change as they regularly do, however only the spruikers & union simpletons concentrate on the envy of another blokes wage as reason they should have more, when in reality the only thing holding you back from the same is you. Best regards & thanks again. K I'm chuffed you answered so here's some more of Harry's lies for you, see the type of simpletons you lemming like follow??? As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. Jack "K Smith" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: A BIG IDEA By John Hightower What if the White House and Congress were to do something sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone, instead of ... well, you know, the opposite of all of the above, as they've been doing? Here's one big idea that would definitely be a plus for our people and for future generations: Launch a 10-year, $300 billion, crash program to provide energy independence for America. This would be a nationwide effort involving millions of us grassroots people to develop, build, and run a high-speed rail network, a distribution system for hydrogen-powered cars, energy-efficient buildings and appliances, solar- and wind-power systems, and other means to kick our nation's costly oil addiction. It's called the Apollo Project, and it's a proposal that has been put together by 10 unions, including steelworkers, auto workers, mine workers, service employees, machinists, and electrical workers unions. Among other good results, their bold plan can restore America's manufacturing jobs, link blue-collar America with the environmental movement, eliminate the need for more oil wars, build a sound energy infrastructure for the future, spur a national construction boom, stimulate the economy from the ground up, excite and unite workaday Americans in a shared mission, and provide a positive model for the rest of the world. Now that's sensible, positive, visionary, and good for everyone! Froodle-doodle, cry the naysayers in the White House, Congress, and oil corporations -- where are you going to get $300 billion to finance this? I say we should get it from where it went. Washington just doled out $350 billion from our public treasury to enrich elites who were already super-rich. Let's put $300 billion of that back in the treasury to finance this Apollo program for the good of all, instead of watching the privileged stick it in foreign bank accounts or buy more mansions in France. To see the Apollo proposal for yourself, check out www.apolloalliance.org. You simpleton it's you & your union thug mates that have caused most of the problems, to suggest they could in any manner be a part of any solution is gall even for you!!!... K |
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Slambram wrote:
On 24 Oct 2003 04:34:27 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Oh SAVE us Unions, save us. LOL The unions have already done quite a bit to "save" you. Do you enjoy weekends off? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the weekend if I choose. It's about control so "I"have to conform to "their" wishes I mean they're about stopping any competition in any manner. Paid vacation? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over them if I choose. It's about control see above. Health insurance? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to take care of my own if I choose & be paid the gross amount I'm entitled to. I don't need somebody else making decisions about how or where I spend the money I've earnt, honestly are you so simple you do??? We don't need everything dumbed down to the lowest common denominator but that's how it's become. Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for unfair personnel decisions by your employer? No not really, lots of potential "employers" are funny people so they don't employ these days because they can't run their business the way they want to. So sorry if they can hire they can fire, if you don't want to work there fine ..... don't. The only thing is we must protect people from predators like Harry, he's admitted stalking & harassing one female NG member already & he boasted of it here, this is unacceptable & illegal such that he should have been prosecuted, in any forum it's well out of order; including work. Do you enjoy a company retirement plan? Mine?? well yes mine is how I want it but again, I want choice pure & simple & I want the gross amount of money that I have earnt with my efforts. I don't want anyone telling me how I should live my life nor plan for my retirement. This compulsory super crap has just lost the community billions because people were effectively gambling with other peoples money & the unions have their sticky dishonest fingers on it as much as the dishonest corps who stole employees money via manipulation of your socialistic ways. Is there on-the-job training available to you to help you advance in your career and improve your skills? These are crap courses run by simpleton Harry types teaching gobbledygook nonsense which doesn't benefit anyone but the provider, certainly not the course taker nor their employer. Typical of what happens in your socialist world. Spare me Hoffa. I enjoy all of these things. I'm not in a union. My employer provides them for me because i'm worth it (at least right now i am). If they didn't, they know i'd go somewhere else. Because you would get a better job if they weren't??? & that's my point!!! just let open free choice & competition have it's way & don't interfere. The words for today are Milton's "free to choose" Unions nowadays are just as corrupt as the corporations they were formed against. The sad thing is that in the end, the hardworking American is going to one who ultimately pays. Well we agree then but the unions are run by simpletons & don't let any lying Harry tell you otherwise, after all he's one of 'em. K |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Jack Rye wrote: Thanks for the reply Jack, Sure blame everything on the unions. I blame monopolies & that's how unions work, they create a monopoly then behave in the worst of monopolist fashion. They are run in the main by uneducated simpletons & I give you ex union heavy Harry as a classic example. Your ignorance says more about you than you realize. Most of the younger "uneducated simpletons" I know who run unions have bachelor's degrees, and several have master's degrees. Most of the older generation of union leaders, the ones who have retired or are close to retirement, were educated in the school of hard knocks, but some of them managed to get college degrees, too. On the other hand, *you* never completed college and got a degree, and by the tone of your political posts here, I would posit that *you* are the simpleton. Well you see this is your problem Harry, I' let my understandings & posts stand whereas you lie about just about everything including that you are educated. The truth is you have no degrees indeed you're not even literate. In the past when others have tried there is no trace of you having even attended any tertiary education. As you usually do you lie you want to claim authority you just make up a lie like; One of the joys of this newsgroup is the opportunity it offers for watching mental cases like you prove over and over how detached from reality you are. It gives us hope for the future. I mean once when you were cornered you actually claimed to have contacted your old uni & told them not to release anything , even that you were there!!! What a hopeless lying turd you are. It is against federal law in this country for a college registrar's office to release identifying personal information about a student or graduate without the latter's express permission. All I've ever done about the matter was to check my registrar's office to make sure the law hadn't changed. Sorry. You spin it as the liar you are. When checked you weren't even mentioned as a student anywhere, no "personal details" just as having attended any tertiary institution. But no matter; what's your concern?? name them now, after all according to your false education claims you have at least 4 references to choose from. Lies upon lies Boat?? No way you never have & certainly don't now. Oh, puh-lease. That dog of yours won't hunt, either. More than one poster in this newsgroup has seen me and the boat, and knows all sorts of details that were verified by third parties. Give it up, Karen. Fine give us one reference one "verifiable" reference not others you've hoodwinked. Again you are just BS about everything, no boats, no education, no father dealer, no gun prises (surely even there the courts would let the mentally ill have access to guns) no 20 yrs junior professional wife.... none of it. Never ever any verification of anything, just years of endless BS claims which one after the other over time you can never back up in any manner because you're liar end of story. The best thing you could do for humanity's sake, Karen, is place yourself on the dung heap for collection. You smell bad. K |
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K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk. they tried to put a diesel OB together in the same manner a 2 stroke petrol is. This meant they couldn't go much bigger that 38HP, it took me & my blokes to actually design & build bigger full OB diesels You've never provided a shred of proof that *you* had anything to do with the design of anything. It's just bullship, all of it. By the way; several more have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed so has had lots of changes along the way. Are they winners of the Industrial Ugly Award, too? -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Do you enjoy weekends off?
Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the weekend if I choose. You missed the point by a mile: How about the right *not* to work on the weekends if you don't care to? How about getting paid extra per hour when your employer insists that you work more hours during a week than he or she told you the job schedule involved when you were hired on? It's about control so "I"have to conform to "their" wishes I mean they're about stopping any competition in any manner. At first I thought you must have speaking about your employer. :-) Is competition good? Most of us think so. Collective bargaining allows a wage earner to compete with his employer's claims to the fruits of his or her labor. When you do an hour's work, some portion of the wealth you produce is set aside for you, and the rest belongs to your employer. Naturally, you and your employer both want the larger portion. Dividing the fruits of you labor is what bargaining with an employer is all about. Paid vacation? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over them if I choose. It's about control see above. Whoosh! The point flies overhead again. You think anybody got a paid vacation before workers organized and bargained for it? The very *choice* that you're looking for is only available because you get a vacation in the first place. And it should be your choice, not your employers. Imagine the hearing the following conversation: "Oh, by the way, Smith, we'll need you to come in three hours early next Monday." "Monday? Mr. Smith and I are leaving for Hawaii on Friday night! It's my annual vacation! It's been on the schedule for six months or more!" "Sorry, Smith. We pay you to produce widgets, not sit on the beach in Hawaii. Looks like you'll have to cancel the vacation, or if you prefer I'll just hire somebody else to take your job." When an employer has *all* the horsepower in a relationship, it's not possible to negotiate anything. Health insurance? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to take care of my own if I choose & be paid the gross amount I'm entitled to. Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh! You sincerely believe that if an employer wasn't required to fund health insurance for his or her employees that the employer would pass all of the corresponding savings on to the employees? "Let's see here- cancelling the company health insurance improved the company bottom line $275k per year. What shall I do with that? Invest it in offshore oil drilling futures and hope for a 90% return, or pass it along to the line workers? Hmmm. Such a dilemna for most folks!" I don't need somebody else making decisions about how or where I spend the money I've earnt, honestly are you so simple you do??? ??? I'm self employed, and don't belong to a union. As far as being simple and needing decisions made for me....my wife seems to think that'w her role a lot of times. :-) Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for unfair personnel decisions by your employer? No not really, lots of potential "employers" are funny people so they don't employ these days because they can't run their business the way they want to. So sorry if they can hire they can fire, if you don't want to work there fine ..... don't. So, two weeks before you've earned your pension (oops, sorry- no union job probably no pension either) the boss' 21 year old son who gets to play "manager" in Daddy's plant calls you into his office and says your work is no longer acceptable. He's hired another person to do your job. (The other person works for several dollars per hour less, and isn't about to cost the company big $$$ by becoming fully vested in the retirement fund) "Smith, I'm really sorry, but since we hired you we have the right to fire you, and I'm afraid we'll have to let you go." Since the boss's son represents the employer, whatever he says has to go, right? ..............(from this point on, most of Karen's post centers around her feud with Harry. Won't bother to respond)....... |
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K Smith wrote: Gould 0738 wrote: Do you enjoy weekends off? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the weekend if I choose. You missed the point by a mile: How about the right *not* to work on the weekends if you don't care to? The only way you lefties can get this to happen is by compulsion on everyone, heavy uneconomic penalties or even worse shut the business outright for 2 days. What you're against is competition between employees Chuck?? & well that about sums the monopolist unions to a tee. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that you don't have a legitimate job and haven't had one for many years. Who the hell would hire you, anyway? -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
Do you enjoy weekends off? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over the weekend if I choose. You missed the point by a mile: How about the right *not* to work on the weekends if you don't care to? The only way you lefties can get this to happen is by compulsion on everyone, heavy uneconomic penalties or even worse shut the business outright for 2 days. What you're against is competition between employees Chuck?? & well that about sums the monopolist unions to a tee. How about getting paid extra per hour when your employer insists that you work more hours during a week than he or she told you the job schedule involved when you were hired on? Chuck you can leave if you're not happy. Here's the news Chuck little places get going by being flexible in all manner of ways, the big blokes fear this because they know as they get huge so too their overheads. So the big blokes always give in to the union bullies just so long as they know the union thugs will make sure there's never any competition big or small in the market place over labour. The end result is people who want extra money, are cleverer or even just harder workers are discouraged & slackers like Harry get protected from them. End result is less GDP & well if you want proof have a look at any big US unionised operations, they're all suffering from the hangerson, the endless imposts from the lefty bureaucrats, the union "demands" the infinitely rising costs of their inputs because their suppliers are on the same mouse wheel. Don't blame the imports your reaction is just more monopoly for your vested interests. It's about control so "I"have to conform to "their" wishes I mean they're about stopping any competition in any manner. At first I thought you must have speaking about your employer. :-) But nice:-) Is competition good? Most of us think so. Collective bargaining allows a wage earner to compete with his employer's claims to the fruits of his or her labor. Gees louise do you really believe this!! The employee has no rights whatsoever to the "fruits". The employee took no risk, invested nothing & ongoing never is exposed to loosing everything, even if they do something totally off the wall. The employee is entitled to sell their labour for as much as they can get for it on what that individual is worth. Sometimes ostensibly the exact same persons are worth totally different amounts for their efforts just because one has a better more productive attitude & the employer should have the right to recognise & reward or not that fact. When you do an hour's work, some portion of the wealth you produce is set aside for you, and the rest belongs to your employer. Naturally, you and your employer both want the larger portion. Dividing the fruits of you labor is what bargaining with an employer is all about. No way Chuck you're glossing over the fact that the union wants everybody paid the same for the same job & this is asking for exactly what manufacturing has got. Paid vacation? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to work & earn over them if I choose. It's about control see above. Whoosh! The point flies overhead again. You think anybody got a paid vacation before workers organized and bargained for it? The very *choice* that you're looking for is only available because you get a vacation in the first place. Gee you believe your own propaganda you really do. What we need is for people to be hungry not just for the weekly wage but to gather up enough to compete with the employer, most industries even seemingly big ones (marine engines??), this is actually possible but people find it easier to just sit back & hide behind the union thugs like Harry. And it should be your choice, not your employers. Imagine the hearing the following conversation: "Oh, by the way, Smith, we'll need you to come in three hours early next Monday." "Monday? Mr. Smith and I are leaving for Hawaii on Friday night! It's my annual vacation! It's been on the schedule for six months or more!" "Sorry, Smith. We pay you to produce widgets, not sit on the beach in Hawaii. Looks like you'll have to cancel the vacation, or if you prefer I'll just hire somebody else to take your job." Come on Chuck who do you think you're talking to; Harry?? I'll be sitting on a beach sipping diet coke on Monday morning & you'll be still here struggling to try & get some productivity from that lying dope Harry. You do as you please regards my job, but fair warning I'm just an employee & a totally free agent with my labour, so I will take that job offer from competitor X & I will be as loyal & hard working for them as I was for you including giving them the benefits of my experience & inside knowledge built up here. employer: You're a smartarse Karen:-) but have a nice time & see you when you get back. See it's only the dead weight hangerson that they don't really want anyway that get treated as you fantasise Chuck; good employees are very hard to find, are valued & usually paid extra & never ever allowed to leave over trivia. A unionist is usually a slacker who needs the union thug Harry types for protection from their own behaviour. When an employer has *all* the horsepower in a relationship, it's not possible to negotiate anything. Health insurance? Yep absolutely but I want to retain the right to take care of my own if I choose & be paid the gross amount I'm entitled to. Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh! You sincerely believe that if an employer wasn't required to fund health insurance for his or her employees that the employer would pass all of the corresponding savings on to the employees? The employer doesn't "fund" health insurance nor super you the employee do, it's money spent as a part of your employment contract just as income tax is. Given recent history it's money you've earnt then had others **** against the wall for you, it's gone done the drain in huge amounts much worse than any private investment ever could have. Besides some people actually need that money & would have better lives for it, but no no you socialists know what's best & how others should live their lives, so instead of being ashamed of yourselves you gather together & pretend you're "good people". "Let's see here- cancelling the company health insurance improved the company bottom line $275k per year. What shall I do with that? Invest it in offshore oil drilling futures and hope for a 90% return, or pass it along to the line workers? Hmmm. Such a dilemna for most folks!" You have absolutely no concept of competition for labour do you Chuck?? none. Corps don't exist Chuck they're manufactured by the law (bits of paper) to encourage people to take risks, invest & hopefully employ, once anyone sees someone else making money for jam, this again hopefully leads to others setting up Co's in competition & that's what keeps the whole system honest & going; competition, not union monopolies & uneducated thugs like Harry. I don't need somebody else making decisions about how or where I spend the money I've earnt, honestly are you so simple you do??? ??? I'm self employed, and don't belong to a union. As far as being simple and needing decisions made for me....my wife seems to think that'w her role a lot of times. :-) Reasonable access to address on-the-job grievances or some avenue of appeal for unfair personnel decisions by your employer? No not really, lots of potential "employers" are funny people so they don't employ these days because they can't run their business the way they want to. So sorry if they can hire they can fire, if you don't want to work there fine ..... don't. So, two weeks before you've earned your pension (oops, sorry- no union job probably no pension either) Earned your pension?? this is akin to slavery Chuck, you should & do have your pension arranged regardless. If you're a little lazy or slow your pension can go into a union "recommended" fund week by week or a Company fund but as I said I'd prefer to take care of my own planning just as you do yes??? the boss' 21 year old son who gets to play "manager" in Daddy's plant calls you into his office and says your work is no longer acceptable. He's hired another person to do your job. (The other person works for several dollars per hour less, and isn't about to cost the company big $$$ by becoming fully vested in the retirement fund) "Smith, I'm really sorry, but since we hired you we have the right to fire you, and I'm afraid we'll have to let you go." Chuck this is fanciful but possible however that Co will suffer if that is the wrong decision & will have trouble hiring longer term employees plus the rest will be grumbly & less productive. I have to add for your consideration though; you assume the near retiree was any good because have you ever heard the union tell the truth about one of these stories?? Like for the last 2 yrs maybe this person has effectively retired at work, they're just clock watching till retirement day, the rest of the staff see us tolerating this out of kindness but now they're slacking off also & hooly dooly they might take the same attitude as they near retirement???. The 21 yo bosses son?? well it's a measure of the father that he's not really much good if he just hands it over without making the kid work his way up through the ranks so it's no surprise I guess the father has let your near retiree get away with murder, because after all these years he's part of the furniture & even maybe a golf buddy. Be careful Chuck rotten apples are rotten apples but they all started as fresh rosy nice apples once. The son might be exactly right & the Co might be much better off very publicly getting rid of your example along with a few others of his union malcontent click. Since the boss's son represents the employer, whatever he says has to go, right? .............(from this point on, most of Karen's post centers around her feud with Harry. Won't bother to respond)....... Thanks Chuck it's good to see at least you can try to justify your team's behaviour. Do you get dragnet there?? the gay bloke tells the cop "I play for the other team" cop says; "you're from Canada??" :-) K |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk. Gee you're hard on the new people Harry, so what Mercruisers are easy because they use a GM core?? Honda OBs when they first started used the civic engine & whey bought the lower leg/gearbox from Merc, so all they made was the centre section (still no mean feat I can assure you:-)) But here I am with our own complete housings, transmission(s), sealed heat exchanger cooling system AND it offers a way forward if you want to build bigger OBs diesel or petrol that are instantly EPA compliant & you say it's easy??? Damn I guess that's why everybody else is doing it?? See this is the socialist way you've never done a solitary thing with your sad failed life so now you make up stories of how you wish your life might have been, i.e. (i) Harry's childhood playing in your father's 30 yrs long boat dealership, playing in all manner of boats. His father was a hero also & got a firetug water welcome into New York harbour having cross the Atlantic in an OB power 22ftr!!! BS no trace whatsoever of any of it & you've NEVER given any independently verifiable material. (ii) Got a good education & did 3 yrs of medicine then decided you were better than that so got 4 degrees & a couple of masters in gobbledygook artie farty crap. All BS over the yrs many have tried to verify you even attended a tertiary institution & nothing. Mental institutions might yield something?? (iii) Sailed all over the world, all the trips people dream of; the Horn X 2, Panama canal, Hawaii, & not just sailed either; you included long offshore passages in command of motor boats. Total BS can't ever enter a sailing thread, not even a coastal nav thread let alone celest. Lies upon lies (iv) Became so independently wealthy that you gave your father's $3 mil inheritance to charity (lots of hooch in the 70s). You like most socialists are totally consumed with envy for the rich so lie about having been rich but then gave it all away, movie BS nothing more. (v) Became a wealthy success as a teacher?? hmmm a first. What can I say you've claimed all sorts of masters degrees yet you were a part time teacher?? lies upon lies nothing more. (vi) Are a writer but nothing other than a magazine piece is published It's a union related story so that is about right you're nothing but a sad failed union thug. (vii) Became obsessed by your treating therapist (probably court ordered) so much so that you made up a fantasy that this 20 yrs younger mental health worker was actually your wife!!! I mean honestly does anyone else watch the sopranos??? (viii) Have owned many boats during you NG time, from a 43 Hatt to current 2 boats a 36' "lobster" boat you had architect designed & custom built to your needs & a Parker 26' never one of them independently verified & whenever an enquirer got close you fabricate some equally unbelievable BS as to how if just vanished into thin air on the day:-) Pathetic really pathetic. (ix) See yourself as the caped crusader & make up a lie about using your fantasy truck to break the leg of a bloke you say was robbing your house; in the real world Harry you'd still be doing time for that. (x) Openly boast here about stalking another NG member, Madcow (xi) Are known here & in a multitude of NGs as a seriously mentally ill liar & after the Madcow episode a dangerous person. they tried to put a diesel OB together in the same manner a 2 stroke petrol is. This meant they couldn't go much bigger that 38HP, it took me & my blokes to actually design & build bigger full OB diesels You've never provided a shred of proof that *you* had anything to do with the design of anything. It's just bullship, all of it. Well I know I'll regret giving you this bone but seeing I made a claim & you are challenging it I'll show you exactly how it works so that even you might understand you can't just make claims & never be able to back any of them up. I'll suggest you get off your sad socialist arse & do some actual checking instead of looking at your pedophile stuff all day. Maybe you can start with me personally?? try the uspto you should find some live trade marks yes Harry, even in the US (e.g. 2422589) then try the same in Aus, you'll find I've included our boats there, gee Harry if you can get yourself up off the floor after that, try the Aus co registers for my trademark+marine pty ltd & you'll find me again as a real person the MD & owner over many years. Do you now see how it works Harry?? We all like to keep our privacy, however people who make public claims of this or that & are telling the truth can usually give something to independently verify if pressed, but you can't not even for things as trivial as having gone to school or owning a boat. You're a liar end of story. By the way; several more have been built & that one is still going although it's still a test bed so has had lots of changes along the way. Are they winners of the Industrial Ugly Award, too? Didn't enter, not into sports:-) but gee it's a bloody engine Harry & given they're the only ones of their type I suppose that's your right to like the look of or no. The thing is they pre-date Ficht & have worked over thousands of hours, have created employment not lost thousands of jobs & I've suggest many dead Fichts have been towed in by reliable IB or IB/OB diesels all over the world. What can I say:-) I told you so!!! K |
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K Smith wrote:
Absolutely nothing worth the oxygen breathed during its typing. I don't think I have ever seen so many lines of gibberish written about so little. Good grief, woman, do you not have anything better to do with your wretched existence than post your interminable diatribes on issues which, judging their "content" you have less comprehension than experience or insight ... Don't be an ass all your life, take a day off. Rick |
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K Smith wrote: Rick wrote: K Smith wrote: Absolutely nothing worth the oxygen breathed during its typing. I don't think I have ever seen so many lines of gibberish written about so little. Good grief, woman, do you not have anything better to do with your wretched existence than post your interminable diatribes on issues which, judging their "content" you have less comprehension than experience or insight ... Don't be an ass all your life, take a day off. Rick And this is from grease monkey Rick Yawn. Karen Smith, the permanently ****ed off Australian troll doll. Crawl back under your bridge. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk. Gee you're hard on the new people Harry, so what Mercruisers are easy because they use a GM core?? Honda OBs when they first started used the civic engine & whey bought the lower leg/gearbox from Merc, so all they made was the centre section (still no mean feat I can assure you:-)) But here I am with our own complete housings, transmission(s), sealed heat exchanger cooling system AND it offers a way forward if you want to build bigger OBs diesel or petrol that are instantly EPA compliant & you say it's easy??? Damn I guess that's why everybody else is doing it?? Wow. You built a housing. That rusts. Yawn. Amd what's the implication of "we?" You didn't have anything material to do with it. See this is the socialist way you've never done a solitary thing with your sad failed life so now you make up stories of how you wish your life might have been, i.e. Yeah, gee, I wish had watched a bunch of guys shove an 80 hp Japanese diesel onto a homemade lower unit. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Rick wrote:
K Smith wrote: Absolutely nothing worth the oxygen breathed during its typing. I don't think I have ever seen so many lines of gibberish written about so little. Good grief, woman, do you not have anything better to do with your wretched existence than post your interminable diatribes on issues which, judging their "content" you have less comprehension than experience or insight ... Don't be an ass all your life, take a day off. Rick And this is from grease monkey Rick who came here & lied about his credentials, till of course he foolishly tried to post technical details about diesel engines, whereupon it became obvious he has not the faintest clue how or even why they operate. Remember this liar claimed not just to be a diesel mechanic but a full on diesel engineer!!! Lying simpletons. It's no good just getting embarrassed & ignoring their lies becasue they just keep making the claims more outrageous, you need to show them for what they are; failed, inadequate, low IQ liars. K |
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K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk. Gee you're hard on the new people Harry, so what Mercruisers are easy because they use a GM core?? Honda OBs when they first started used the civic engine & whey bought the lower leg/gearbox from Merc, so all they made was the centre section (still no mean feat I can assure you:-)) But here I am with our own complete housings, transmission(s), sealed heat exchanger cooling system AND it offers a way forward if you want to build bigger OBs diesel or petrol that are instantly EPA compliant & you say it's easy??? Damn I guess that's why everybody else is doing it?? Wow. You built a housing. That rusts. Yawn. Amd what's the implication of "we?" You didn't have anything material to do with it. See this is the socialist way you've never done a solitary thing with your sad failed life so now you make up stories of how you wish your life might have been, i.e. Yeah, gee, I wish had watched a bunch of guys shove an 80 hp Japanese diesel onto a homemade lower unit. So you lying sack of waste did you check the uspto, the aus pat office the aus corps register??? You see how it works now?? Liars like you can never produce any independently verifiable evidence not ever. Whereas an actual person who rarely makes "claims" can. K You haven't produced anything, Karen, except a mound of effluent that rivals Everest. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk. Gee you're hard on the new people Harry, so what Mercruisers are easy because they use a GM core?? Honda OBs when they first started used the civic engine & whey bought the lower leg/gearbox from Merc, so all they made was the centre section (still no mean feat I can assure you:-)) But here I am with our own complete housings, transmission(s), sealed heat exchanger cooling system AND it offers a way forward if you want to build bigger OBs diesel or petrol that are instantly EPA compliant & you say it's easy??? Damn I guess that's why everybody else is doing it?? Wow. You built a housing. That rusts. Yawn. Amd what's the implication of "we?" You didn't have anything material to do with it. See this is the socialist way you've never done a solitary thing with your sad failed life so now you make up stories of how you wish your life might have been, i.e. Yeah, gee, I wish had watched a bunch of guys shove an 80 hp Japanese diesel onto a homemade lower unit. So you lying sack of waste did you check the uspto, the aus pat office the aus corps register??? You see how it works now?? Liars like you can never produce any independently verifiable evidence not ever. Whereas an actual person who rarely makes "claims" can. K |
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Are you two having an affair?
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Oh you mean the ONLY 80HP diesel OB you've ever seen?? Well, I haven't actually seen it, Karen. All you've posted are some ****-poor photos that show a rusting hunkajunk that looks like an old Chrysler outboard on steroids. I have seen a Yanmar diesel outboard, though, of something like 35 or 40 hp, and it didn't look anything like that piece of crap hanging on the back of your piece of crap boat. No they wouldn't because they didn't design anew You didn't design anew, either. You took someone else's diesel and bolted it onto the ugliest lower unit I have ever seen. The Yanmar is a manufactured product; yours is a hunka junk. Gee you're hard on the new people Harry, so what Mercruisers are easy because they use a GM core?? Honda OBs when they first started used the civic engine & whey bought the lower leg/gearbox from Merc, so all they made was the centre section (still no mean feat I can assure you:-)) But here I am with our own complete housings, transmission(s), sealed heat exchanger cooling system AND it offers a way forward if you want to build bigger OBs diesel or petrol that are instantly EPA compliant & you say it's easy??? Damn I guess that's why everybody else is doing it?? Wow. You built a housing. That rusts. Yawn. Amd what's the implication of "we?" You didn't have anything material to do with it. See this is the socialist way you've never done a solitary thing with your sad failed life so now you make up stories of how you wish your life might have been, i.e. Yeah, gee, I wish had watched a bunch of guys shove an 80 hp Japanese diesel onto a homemade lower unit. So you lying sack of waste did you check the uspto, the aus pat office the aus corps register??? You see how it works now?? Liars like you can never produce any independently verifiable evidence not ever. Whereas an actual person who rarely makes "claims" can. K You haven't produced anything, Karen, except a mound of effluent that rivals Everest. No hang on lets be crystal clear about this dopey, you claimed there was no evidence I had anything to do with the diesel OB which even in those pics clearly carries my registered trade mark. (i) I give you the US trade mark registration ## which was all through & granted many years ago & of course is still live. (ii) Now you know the details you can easily find that I have the mark registered twice in Aus once for the motors etc & then our boats. (iii) From there I even gave you my corp name so a simple search of the Aus corps register will find me again as the owner & MD of my co. which of course again carries my registered trade mark (iv) If you liked to try even harder you can use the rego # off my boat in the pic to find that boat is indeed mine & has been registered as such for a very very long time (I like the #) So unless you think I can spoof the uspto, the Aus pat office, the Aus corps reg. the transport dept & others those things are now beyond question, because that engine was designed & manufactured in my business by my blokes & if that were not the case I'd be knocking off whoever tried to infringe my mark. Clearly only the holder of the trademark can register their corp accordingly. Now it's your turn to put up Harry, anything that is independently verifiable is fine. Go on you sad sick, dangerous ******* have a go but this time don't manufacture BS & more lies because it'll need to be "independently" verifiable as mine is. By the way you lies up above about you using Yoho nobody believes you & hopefully the real owner will discover what you've been doing & chuck you just as the real owner of the lobster boat did. K |
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Clams Canino wrote:
Are you two having an affair? -W "K Smith" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: No yuck Clams!!! what a nasty thing to suggest!!! & I make no claims about me, certainly the young intelligent bride BS story is totally not possible, this person is revolting in every sense of the word. He's tried several tactics lately to try & claim he's not just a BS'ting liar, first he claimed my abridged summary of his lies wasn't right so these days I paste his actual lies, that shut him up on that issue. The last few days he thought he's try saying I might not be who I am & of course I provided independently verifiable material that anyone anywhere can go to, now it's down to him to supply his, he won't of course because there is none; he's just a liar. K |
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K Smith wrote: No hang on lets be crystal clear about this dopey, you claimed there was no evidence I had anything to do with the diesel OB which even in those pics clearly carries my registered trade mark. I looked up the word "Rustbucket" but didn't see your name listed. (i) I give you the US trade mark registration ## which was all through & granted many years ago & of course is still live. Nope. Never got any such number from you. (ii) Now you know the details you can easily find that I have the mark registered twice in Aus once for the motors etc & then our boats. Your boats? Oh, now you claim to be a boat manufacturer, too? What a giggle. (iii) From there I even gave you my corp name so a simple search of the Aus corps register will find me again as the owner & MD of my co. which of course again carries my registered trade mark Nope, you never gave me any such name. Sorry. (iv) If you liked to try even harder you can use the rego # off my boat in the pic to find that boat is indeed mine & has been registered as such for a very very long time (I like the #) You're not worth the trying. So unless you think I can spoof the uspto, the Aus pat office, the Aus corps reg. the transport dept & others those things are now beyond question, because that engine was designed & manufactured in my business by my blokes No it wasn't. You used an engine manufactured in Japan or some other Pacific nation. That is, if you used any engine at all. Frankly, I don't believe a word of your tale you were involved in any significant way in the evolution of that crappy looking, noisy, smelly, diesel outboard. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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K Smith wrote: He's tried several tactics lately to try & claim he's not just a BS'ting liar, first he claimed my abridged summary of his lies wasn't right so these days I paste his actual lies, that shut him up on that issue. The last few days he thought he's try saying I might not be who I am & of course I provided independently verifiable material that anyone anywhere can go to, now it's down to him to supply his, he won't of course because there is none; he's just a liar. K You've provided no name, no address, no c.v., no nothing. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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