On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:57:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Not anymore. I kissed the 1000 ft long, 16 ft wide driveway over a
month ago. It was due to be repaved as well. Glad I am not paying for it.

I think I would consider asphalt for that much road (anything over
100' is a road).
That is about 20 truckloads of concrete (200yds) What is that up
there? $20 grand?
It would take a 10 man union crew 2 days to do that but 3 Mexicans
could do it in a day ;-)

Three of Judy's guys did my 40 yard driveway in about 3 hours but I
did have it graded and formed when they got here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house.jpg

On 4/19/2016 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:57:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Not anymore. I kissed the 1000 ft long, 16 ft wide driveway over a
month ago. It was due to be repaved as well. Glad I am not paying for it.

I think I would consider asphalt for that much road (anything over
100' is a road).
That is about 20 truckloads of concrete (200yds) What is that up
there? $20 grand?
It would take a 10 man union crew 2 days to do that but 3 Mexicans
could do it in a day ;-)

Three of Judy's guys did my 40 yard driveway in about 3 hours but I
did have it graded and formed when they got here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house.jpg



As mentioned in a previous post there are very few concrete driveways up
here. In fact, I don't think I've seen any. Too much damage can occur
due to freezing ground and frost heaves. Even the code for putting in
footings for decks, etc., require them to be at least four feet below grade.

There's a weird phenomena that occurs when the ground experiences a deep
freeze during the coldest part of the winter. It expands (as water does
when it freezes) and over a few years can actually lift buried boulders
and rocks up out of the ground.
The driveway at our last house had a 14" dia concrete pipe buried
across part of the driveway to allow water from a brook to pass through
it. Over the years the concrete pipe was pushed upward, causing a
"speed bump" to develop in the asphalt driveway. Had the driveway been
concrete, it would have broken it up.

I remember while living in Connecticut the Wilbur Cross Parkway was
concrete. It had expansion joints about every 100 feet and when you
drove on it there was a constant "bump bump, bump bump" as the car
tires hit the expansion joints. Haven't been down that highway in a
long time but I'll bet it's asphalt now.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:50:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/19/2016 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:57:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Not anymore. I kissed the 1000 ft long, 16 ft wide driveway over a
month ago. It was due to be repaved as well. Glad I am not paying for it.

I think I would consider asphalt for that much road (anything over
100' is a road).
That is about 20 truckloads of concrete (200yds) What is that up
there? $20 grand?
It would take a 10 man union crew 2 days to do that but 3 Mexicans
could do it in a day ;-)

Three of Judy's guys did my 40 yard driveway in about 3 hours but I
did have it graded and formed when they got here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house.jpg



As mentioned in a previous post there are very few concrete driveways up
here. In fact, I don't think I've seen any. Too much damage can occur
due to freezing ground and frost heaves. Even the code for putting in
footings for decks, etc., require them to be at least four feet below grade.

There's a weird phenomena that occurs when the ground experiences a deep
freeze during the coldest part of the winter. It expands (as water does
when it freezes) and over a few years can actually lift buried boulders
and rocks up out of the ground.
The driveway at our last house had a 14" dia concrete pipe buried
across part of the driveway to allow water from a brook to pass through
it. Over the years the concrete pipe was pushed upward, causing a
"speed bump" to develop in the asphalt driveway. Had the driveway been
concrete, it would have broken it up.

I remember while living in Connecticut the Wilbur Cross Parkway was
concrete. It had expansion joints about every 100 feet and when you
drove on it there was a constant "bump bump, bump bump" as the car
tires hit the expansion joints. Haven't been down that highway in a
long time but I'll bet it's asphalt now.


I understand that and I think I mentioned up thread a note or two. The
beltway had it's share of problems because the government contract
specified concrete. They had lots of problems with buckling where one
plate would end up 4-5" above the next one. That is exciting if you
are going over the ski jump but devastating of you hit the wall from
the other side. One of my Harley buddies hit one of those and sailed
about 50', breaking a leg and really doing a job on a 74 sportster. I
ended up fixing it and selling it for him. They had the whole beltway
stopped until they could pick up the pieces of the bike and get him
into a van.
No license so they did not wait for the cops. Harley guys. ;-)

True North wrote:
Had the driveway pavers here for an estimate to rip up the old driveway and replace with new base and asphalt top.
That should help make backing the boat in a big smoother.
Brother-in-law knows the owner so we feel we can trust them and they are a member of the BBB.
There are a number of fly by night paving companies in the area so I've been reluctant to go through the process until now.

You do know the BBB is a scam, right? Anyone paying the dues can be A
or A+ rated despite complaints.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:08:00 -0400, Alex wrote:


You do know the BBB is a scam, right? Anyone paying the dues can be A
or A+ rated despite complaints.

I was going to mention that but I am already in enough trouble here.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:51:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:50:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/19/2016 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:57:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Not anymore. I kissed the 1000 ft long, 16 ft wide driveway over a
month ago. It was due to be repaved as well. Glad I am not paying for it.

I think I would consider asphalt for that much road (anything over
100' is a road).
That is about 20 truckloads of concrete (200yds) What is that up
there? $20 grand?
It would take a 10 man union crew 2 days to do that but 3 Mexicans
could do it in a day ;-)

Three of Judy's guys did my 40 yard driveway in about 3 hours but I
did have it graded and formed when they got here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house.jpg



As mentioned in a previous post there are very few concrete driveways up
here. In fact, I don't think I've seen any. Too much damage can occur
due to freezing ground and frost heaves. Even the code for putting in
footings for decks, etc., require them to be at least four feet below grade.

There's a weird phenomena that occurs when the ground experiences a deep
freeze during the coldest part of the winter. It expands (as water does
when it freezes) and over a few years can actually lift buried boulders
and rocks up out of the ground.
The driveway at our last house had a 14" dia concrete pipe buried
across part of the driveway to allow water from a brook to pass through
it. Over the years the concrete pipe was pushed upward, causing a
"speed bump" to develop in the asphalt driveway. Had the driveway been
concrete, it would have broken it up.

I remember while living in Connecticut the Wilbur Cross Parkway was
concrete. It had expansion joints about every 100 feet and when you
drove on it there was a constant "bump bump, bump bump" as the car
tires hit the expansion joints. Haven't been down that highway in a
long time but I'll bet it's asphalt now.


I understand that and I think I mentioned up thread a note or two. The
beltway had it's share of problems because the government contract
specified concrete. They had lots of problems with buckling where one
plate would end up 4-5" above the next one. That is exciting if you
are going over the ski jump but devastating of you hit the wall from
the other side. One of my Harley buddies hit one of those and sailed
about 50', breaking a leg and really doing a job on a 74 sportster. I
ended up fixing it and selling it for him. They had the whole beltway
stopped until they could pick up the pieces of the bike and get him
into a van.
No license so they did not wait for the cops. Harley guys. ;-)

The beltway around Boston, as of a few years back, had those same type 'speed bumps' at every
overpass, as though the concrete span itself had risen a couple or three inches. Raised havoc with
the stuff in the trailer we were pulling.
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:08:00 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
Had the driveway pavers here for an estimate to rip up the old driveway and replace with new base and asphalt top.
That should help make backing the boat in a big smoother.
Brother-in-law knows the owner so we feel we can trust them and they are a member of the BBB.
There are a number of fly by night paving companies in the area so I've been reluctant to go through the process until now.

You do know the BBB is a scam, right? Anyone paying the dues can be A
or A+ rated despite complaints.

I have used them, once, to get some money back from an outfit. My complaint got forwarded to the
firm, and I was reimbursed.

That's the only experience I've had with them.

It's my understanding that placement on Angie's List is also dependent on advertising/money, as is
Yelp.
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Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:23:47 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:08:00 -0400, Alex wrote:


You do know the BBB is a scam, right? Anyone paying the dues can be A
or A+ rated despite complaints.

I was going to mention that but I am already in enough trouble here.

Only with a very select few.
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Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:55:31 -0400, Keine Keyserscheiße
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:08:00 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
Had the driveway pavers here for an estimate to rip up the old driveway and replace with new base and asphalt top.
That should help make backing the boat in a big smoother.
Brother-in-law knows the owner so we feel we can trust them and they are a member of the BBB.
There are a number of fly by night paving companies in the area so I've been reluctant to go through the process until now.

You do know the BBB is a scam, right? Anyone paying the dues can be A
or A+ rated despite complaints.

I have used them, once, to get some money back from an outfit. My complaint got forwarded to the
firm, and I was reimbursed.

That's the only experience I've had with them.

It's my understanding that placement on Angie's List is also dependent on advertising/money, as is
Yelp.

The best consumer protection these days comes from those evil bankers
via your credit card. They have the ability to claw money back from
bad merchants. I got a full refund on that boat seat I had a problem
with and I got to keep the seat. Granted that they had painted
themselves in a corner by trying to say that it wasn't their seat and
that I was just trying to slam them on the internet in spite of the
fact that I had their invoice and AmEx paid the money to them.
AmEx was great. I had to wait a month or so while they argued with the
company but then I got a full credit.