On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:33:49 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/10/16 12:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:45:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/10/16 11:19 AM, wrote:


A lot of people don't have your aversion to weight in a firearm. If
you are into rapid fire events, that weight will help you with faster
follow up shots.


How much weight is enough in a mostly steel, fairly long-barrel pistol
in .22LR really isn't an issue in a "casual" target, plinking, or
hunting firearm, and neither is accurate "rapid fire" with these steel
Rugers, since muzzle flip isn't an issue.

I have no idea what the practical reasons are for Ruger to offer 6.88"
barrels on its Mark III's. I've never seen any valid evidence these
longer barrel Rugers shoot better or faster than the Rugers with the
5.88" barrels, assuming all the pistols involved are the "steelies." I
don't know how the polymer Rugers in that caliber shoot.

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.
Most people can't come close to affording a Pardini but they may want
something that is not a belly gun. My woodsman has a 6" barrel and I
think it has a very good balance.
OTOH if you are hanging a can on the end, you already have a nose
heavy gun.


As points of information:

I stated "casual" target, plinking, or hunting, not competitive target
shooting.

The Ruger Mark III I currently own, with the 5.5" barrel, weighs an
ounce more from the factory than the 6.88" barrel "Hunter" version under
discussion, I presume because the version I have has a thicker, "bull"
barrel, rather than a fancy fluted barrel, it weighs more.

At present, all the Ruger Mark III's designated as "target" pistols come
with 5.5" barrels.

Remember, I am not "knocking" the "Hunter" model. It is a fine,
beautifully finished pistol. I owned one. I don't recall that it shoots
any different than the shorter barrel Mark III that I now own. Further,
mine has been worked over from top to bottom by Volquartsen, and now can
cycle faster and the trigger has shorter movement.

You're right about the can making the pistol a bit more nose heavy, but
not enough that I've notice a difference in handling or muzzle flip.
Unlike Northern Virginia, we don't have a lot of zombies running loose
out here, so rapid fire is not necessary. I throw a red dot on mine
from time to time, just for grins.

For the money and even for a bit more money, I don't think you can find
a better .22LR pistol than the Ruger Mark III in any of its iterations.




Rapid fire is just a different game, more like skeet than target
rifle.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:18:53 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?

===

One target at 10 yards for the bulls eye stage. We have other stages
with multiple targets and times are typically a second or two slower.

On 3/10/16 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?



None of the women I've been with in my lifetime would be impressed by a
guy who could shoot his load in three seconds or less, but it makes
sense for W'hine, most women would say.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:54:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/10/16 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?



None of the women I've been with in my lifetime would be impressed by a
guy who could shoot his load in three seconds or less, but it makes
sense for W'hine, most women would say.

The ol' green-eyed monster rearing its ugly head, eh Krause?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:54:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/10/16 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?



None of the women I've been with in my lifetime would be impressed by a
guy who could shoot his load in three seconds or less

===

I'm shooting a multi-shot weapon. How about you old timer?

On 3/10/16 3:33 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:54:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/10/16 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?



None of the women I've been with in my lifetime would be impressed by a
guy who could shoot his load in three seconds or less, but it makes
sense for W'hine, most women would say.

The ol' green-eyed monster rearing its ugly head, eh Krause?
--


Over Mr. Self-Important W'hine? Surely you jest.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The ol' green-eyed monster rearing its ugly head, eh Krause?
--


Over Mr. Self-Important W'hine? Surely you jest.

===

Says the kettle to the pot...

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/10/16 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:44:03 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:07:47 -0500, wrote:

I suppose you have never really looked at the .22s they use in the
rapid fire events. Most actually have a big weight on the end of the
barrel. Muzzle flip may not mean much shooting water bottles in slow
fire but when 5 shots in 4 seconds is necessary to be competitive at
all, a little flip is the difference between playing the game or going
home.

===

With the guys I shoot with 5 shots in 3 seconds or less is par for the
course if you want to do well. That includes the time needed to drop
your hands from shoulder high, pick the gun up from the bench (or draw
from a holster), and get on target. My best ever is 2.6 seconds.

Multiple targets?



None of the women I've been with in my lifetime would be impressed by a
guy who could shoot his load in three seconds or less, but it makes
sense for W'hine, most women would say.


None of the women you say? Then how about the guys you've been with?