On 3/1/16 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 12:34:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/1/16 12:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 11:57:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I don't waste my vote.

Of course you do. The democrat will win in your state, no matter who
you vote for, just like Richard.

I don't see another Reagan any time soon and Maryland didn't vote for
him in 80 only 84.


The fact that the Dem candidate will carry Maryland does not mean that
my voting for my candidate is a wasted vote, except, perhaps, to a
political cynic like you. I have voted in every general election since I
achieved voting age.


I vote but I vote for someone who reflects my views, not someone in a
given party


None of the GOP "frontrunners" reflect my views on any issue of
importance to me. I certainly wouldn't want any of the Republithugs
nominating to the Supreme Court.

On 3/1/16 1:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 12:36:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/1/16 12:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:12:46 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

10:57 AMKeyser Söze
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I'm a pragmatic voter, not an idealist. I vote for candidates who most
closely match up with my interests and beliefs. I don't expect any of
them to be 100% in my column on every issue. You seem to be waiting for
Godot.

As for Trump, he came out of the box as a horror, and has only gotten
worse. The Republicans deserve him.

Hey, go ahead and vote for your favorite libertarian or don't vote at
all. I don't waste my vote.
.......
I dont waste my vote either. I (like Greg)!have always voted my conscience. I'm not a party liner.

There is no limit to the lengths the Clintonistas will go to deny that
they were lied to by their hero.
If Hillary keeps embracing Bill, she is going to slam into the fact
that he was the one who deregulated Wall Street and caused the crash
of 2007-8. (along with all of the other things that go against their
creed)



There are many issues in the upcoming general election.

I agree but the most important ones will not even be on the agenda and
I don't really believe what they say anyway.


Naive.

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 12:36:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/1/16 12:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:12:46 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

10:57 AMKeyser Söze
- show quoted text -
I'm a pragmatic voter, not an idealist. I vote for candidates who most
closely match up with my interests and beliefs. I don't expect any of
them to be 100% in my column on every issue. You seem to be waiting for
Godot.

As for Trump, he came out of the box as a horror, and has only gotten
worse. The Republicans deserve him.

Hey, go ahead and vote for your favorite libertarian or don't vote at
all. I don't waste my vote.
.......
I dont waste my vote either. I (like Greg)!have always voted my conscience. I'm not a party liner.

There is no limit to the lengths the Clintonistas will go to deny that
they were lied to by their hero.
If Hillary keeps embracing Bill, she is going to slam into the fact
that he was the one who deregulated Wall Street and caused the crash
of 2007-8. (along with all of the other things that go against their
creed)



There are many issues in the upcoming general election.

I agree but the most important ones will not even be on the agenda and
I don't really believe what they say anyway.


Got news for you - turning the USA into Bangladesh isn't a
winning strategy.

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You are not alone with regard to Hillary. Your given reasons are much
the same that I have for never casting a vote for her. It's not because
she's a Democrat. It's because she is Hillary.

I could vote for her if she didn't have that big wart on her
ass named Bill.
I won't vote for her, but I hope she wins over any Republican
that's running.
They're all backwards looking. I don't want backwards.

On 3/1/2016 2:37 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
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says...


You are not alone with regard to Hillary. Your given reasons are much
the same that I have for never casting a vote for her. It's not because
she's a Democrat. It's because she is Hillary.

I could vote for her if she didn't have that big wart on her
ass named Bill.
I won't vote for her, but I hope she wins over any Republican
that's running.
They're all backwards looking. I don't want backwards.




When it comes to the Republican choices this time around Mitt Romney
looked pretty good in retrospect. I can't believe how far to the right
the GOP has gone. Jeb seemed moderate for a while but even he had to
bow to Tea Party influence led by people like Cruz.
Trump is a great marketing pro but he's nuts otherwise.

Then again, the Dems choices ... really just Hillary and Bernie ....
have swung hard to port (notice the boating reference?) led by Bernie.
Hillary has had to adjust her positions several times to avoid losing
young voters who know nothing about what being a "moderate" is.
Socialism is on the rise and it agrees with them.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 07:49:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/1/2016 7:15 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:51:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/1/2016 6:15 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2016 00:38:49 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:36:14 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:


Obviously your reading comprehension skills are about as bad as
CalifBill's, and you will be voting for Trump in the general.



Your debate skills suck. Interesting, is how low the Democrats are turning
out for the elections. Tells us, that not many are enthused about Hillary
and Berni.

Harry debates just like Trump. It is all "you are stupid, I am awesome
and I don't need to tell you anything else".


Ironic isn't it. I still say if Trump was running as a democrat, Harry
would love him.

You hit that nail right on the head.

In the futile interest of a reasonable debate, I don't think that is
true at all. Trump would have to change his colors and adopt most or
all of mainstream Democratic positions on issues in order to gain
Harry's approval.

Harry is a Social Democrat IMO and has outlined what he believes are the
important issues that need to be addressed and has offered ways of
accomplishing them. Not all agree with the priorities or methods with
the GOP and it's supporters being the primary opposition. Hillary
meets his standards as does Bernie, so he could accept or vote for
either of them. My personal opposition to Hillary isn't necessarily her
(changing) positions on issues but rather on my strong belief that she,
more than most, is a deceitful, lying and selfishly motivated politician
and has been for all of her professional and political career. Even if
I agreed with everything she spouts, I could never vote for her.
There's a limit to what can be overlooked, IMO.



Greg made two comments. You didn't disagree with the first, so I assume you'll let it
stand.


My post was in response to the second comment by Greg. The first was
just routine, rec.boats insult slinging.


I agree with Greg's comment on Trump running as a Democrat and
getting Harry's
support. Hillary has Harry's total support. Why? Because she's a Democrat, amen.

That may be your opinion or your interpretation but it is not supported
by what Harry has actually said. On numerous occasions he has justified
his support of Hillary based on her positions as a Democrat on many
social issues. To say he supports her simply because she's a Democrat
just gives him the ammo to fire back with his opinions of
"conserva-trash".



IMHO, Harry's position revolves not around the beliefs, attitudes, goals, etc, of the
Democrats, but simply a position *against* Republicans, regardless of their
platforms. You see the same attitude here, as Greg mentioned. Harry's 'debating
strategy' consists of name-calling and patting himself on the back. His 'claims to
fame', when questioned, receive no answer...a lack of 'entitlement'. Harry had very
little going for him, in the way of integrity, before his 'Vietnam service' story.
Now he has none.

I agree that Harry has adopted a certain style of debate in rec.boats
but I don't think it's a general attitude he has elsewhere. A lot of it
is due to assumptions like you made (above) where you ignore his reasons
and focus on "being a Democrat". The issues are lost in the insults.

Personally, I don't agree with most of what Harry spouts here because
it's mostly a reaction to what he is accused of being without much
thought put into the discussion. I suspect that an adult, one on one
reasonable discussion with him outside of rec.boats would be very
different, much like the ones I've had with my Democratic Socialist
lawyer friend. We disagree on many subjects related to politics but
remain respectful of each other's positions and never resort to slinging
insults.


Have you had to accuse your Democratic Socialist lawyer friend of lying?

His lying and the continuous name-calling (of everyone who is right leaning) are my
big hangups with the guy.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

On 3/1/16 4:12 PM, John H. wrote:


His lying and the continuous name-calling (of everyone who is right leaning) are my
big hangups with the guy.
--


I believe truly that you are an entirely self-centered, extreme
right-wing racist asshole with absolutely no redeeming social value.

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On 3/1/2016 2:37 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


You are not alone with regard to Hillary. Your given reasons are much
the same that I have for never casting a vote for her. It's not because
she's a Democrat. It's because she is Hillary.

I could vote for her if she didn't have that big wart on her
ass named Bill.
I won't vote for her, but I hope she wins over any Republican
that's running.
They're all backwards looking. I don't want backwards.




When it comes to the Republican choices this time around Mitt Romney
looked pretty good in retrospect. I can't believe how far to the right
the GOP has gone. Jeb seemed moderate for a while but even he had to
bow to Tea Party influence led by people like Cruz.
Trump is a great marketing pro but he's nuts otherwise.

Then again, the Dems choices ... really just Hillary and Bernie ....
have swung hard to port (notice the boating reference?) led by Bernie.
Hillary has had to adjust her positions several times to avoid losing
young voters who know nothing about what being a "moderate" is.
Socialism is on the rise and it agrees with them.

Hillary hasn't gone near Bernie. Nothing she has proposed is
more radical than the health care she pushed +20 years ago.
The R's are so far right reality gets distorted.
Trump is a con man. Hillary will tear him up.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:31:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/1/16 4:12 PM, John H. wrote:


His lying and the continuous name-calling (of everyone who is right leaning) are my
big hangups with the guy.
--


I believe truly that you are an entirely self-centered, extreme
right-wing racist asshole with absolutely no redeeming social value.

If you didn't lie so often, I might believe that's what you believe. Hell, I don't
even believe that!

Sure hope you got that big Ducatti out today. It was a beautiful day for a ride.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2016 2:37 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


You are not alone with regard to Hillary. Your given reasons are much
the same that I have for never casting a vote for her. It's not because
she's a Democrat. It's because she is Hillary.

I could vote for her if she didn't have that big wart on her
ass named Bill.
I won't vote for her, but I hope she wins over any Republican
that's running.
They're all backwards looking. I don't want backwards.




When it comes to the Republican choices this time around Mitt Romney
looked pretty good in retrospect. I can't believe how far to the right
the GOP has gone. Jeb seemed moderate for a while but even he had to
bow to Tea Party influence led by people like Cruz.
Trump is a great marketing pro but he's nuts otherwise.

Then again, the Dems choices ... really just Hillary and Bernie ....
have swung hard to port (notice the boating reference?) led by Bernie.
Hillary has had to adjust her positions several times to avoid losing
young voters who know nothing about what being a "moderate" is.
Socialism is on the rise and it agrees with them.




I think the good thing that RM2D38ill come out with f this election, is
enough ****ed off voters, to change both the Democrats and republicans
parties.