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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more?i -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Mine was a Christmas present in 1964. But mom had remarried and moved and I was still in school in Ohio. So did not get delivered. They were looking for me, so I knew I better go see an Air Force recruiter before contacting the draft board. My friendly local Congressman talked to them to not call me for a couple months to give me time to go USAF. Figured 1965 was not a good time to be army draftee. |
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On 2/13/16 4:28 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more?i -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Mine was a Christmas present in 1964. But mom had remarried and moved and I was still in school in Ohio. So did not get delivered. They were looking for me, so I knew I better go see an Air Force recruiter before contacting the draft board. My friendly local Congressman talked to them to not call me for a couple months to give me time to go USAF. Figured 1965 was not a good time to be army draftee. I was at Ft. Leonard Wood in 1965 or 66 or so, but just for the day, on assignment from The Star to cover the opening or dedication of a new hospital on the base. What an awful place that military installation was... On the way back, the little used and abused MG-A I had started having serious electrical problems. That was the end of that car. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/13/16 4:28 PM, Califbill wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more?i -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Mine was a Christmas present in 1964. But mom had remarried and moved and I was still in school in Ohio. So did not get delivered. They were looking for me, so I knew I better go see an Air Force recruiter before contacting the draft board. My friendly local Congressman talked to them to not call me for a couple months to give me time to go USAF. Figured 1965 was not a good time to be army draftee. I was at Ft. Leonard Wood in 1965 or 66 or so, but just for the day, on assignment from The Star to cover the opening or dedication of a new hospital on the base. What an awful place that military installation was... On the way back, the little used and abused MG-A I had started having serious electrical problems. That was the end of that car. I think that was where my brother in law was stationed in 1968. Did not see much of it as was dark. Do remember you had to join a private club to buy a beer at the hotel. Figured too much for one beer. |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:55:26 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. |
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On 2/13/16 7:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:55:26 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. Cape May is a resort...Ft. Leonard Wood is a hellhole. Makes sense. |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:55:26 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. I had to make my way to the airport. They gave me a ticket on AA to Dallas, and then Trans Texas airways to San Antonio. Forest flight attestant I have ever had on a flight. Maybe being 20 shaded my viewpoint. |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:16:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. Cape May is a resort...Ft. Leonard Wood is a hellhole. Makes sense. It wasn't really that "resorty" in the winter time. We had gale force winds almost every day we were there. Out in the bay, in a 26' Momomoy surf boat with that wind at about 40-50f was not my favorite boat ride. |
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